As we explore the boundaries of what is and isn't protected by free speech, we see countless examples today of public protests. But this is nothing new. For example, the 1960s and 1970s had widespread protests against the Vietnam War.
Our campus also involved political protest in those tumultuous times.
Ten students at Southwest Texas State University (then called Southwest Texas State University) took part in a protest
against the Vietnam War on campus, but were suspended and expelled from the university.
Check out this brief video by The University Star: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ygdK1awjMA#t=15
Also, listen to this NPR report broadcast from Oct. 23, 2001, in which two of the San Marcos Ten were interviewed:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1131946
Consider that this interview was conducted less than two months after the terrorist attack on Sept. 11, 2001.
After you watch and listen to this reports, return here and add a
comment with your reaction. Also, consider whether there are any causes
-- political, environmental, social or otherwise -- that would motivate you
to take part in a protest.
Please remember to include your first name, last name initial and class (12:3 p.m. class, online class or Honors class).
147 comments:
Ashley R. TTh 12:30pm
I think it's crazy how uptight Texas State used to be! It's weird to look at the now open-minded campus through this lens. I'm definitely glad I live in a time where I can express my opposition without repercussions. I think that there are definitely causes I'm willing to protest for! Equality for everyone is personally a big thing for me.
I find it shocking that Texas State used to be so close minded when it came to others voicing their opinions. I feel that now a days Texas State could be considered one of the top universities in Texas that promote freedom of speech. So it amazes me how the view of expression has changed at our university. I would be motivated by political or social causes to protest and feel that I am at the right university to do so if I would like!
Talk about a flashback in time, that was very interesting and I enjoyed listening to former TXST students. I could not imagine being a student at that time and not being able to hold any sort of peaceful protest. It seems absurd to me that the TXST administration reacted in the way it did. The punishment for those students seemed extremely harsh as well. I know that if that were me, I probably would have been one of the hundreds or students who stopped protesting after hearing word of disciplinary actions. I am glad that the view on campus protests has changes, although I do not enjoyed some of the protests that go on at the stallions, I respect it for what it is, the freedom of expression.
My god, I had no idea that Texas State wasn't always as open to free speech as we are now. But at the same time, I'm not exactly surprised? If that makes sense? Texas (the entire state, I mean) is always construed as a conservative state; I would have to imagine that back in the mid-20th century, that stereotype would've been even more accurate. This isn't Berkley, after all.
I found it touching that one of the 10 came back and graduated from Texas State after all. That's more forgiveness than I could ever muster!
To be perfectly honest, I'm not the protest type. At least, I haven't been up til this point. It's difficult for me to participate in anything that doesn't have an immediately visible, tangible effect or result. That said, I certainly know and realize that protests have the power to enact change, and I have the utmost respect for anyone that exercises that right.
It infuriates me that the San Marcos 10 got expelled and has their GPAs decrease to zero when they were expressing themselves in a non-violent manner! The San Marcos 10 definitely demonstrated courage and were very understanding towards the other students who did not stand their ground til the end. Hopefully we can learn from history and TXST does not infringe on student's freedom of speech in the present time or future time.
Kiley J. Honors class
Oh boy, do I have something to say! As I was sitting here watching the YouTube video and listening to the radio interview, I was extremely irritated at what took place during this protest in 1969. The Dean had no reason to take consequences to such an extreme, and better yet, to threat the students of "disciplinary action" before the protest even took place. The San Marcos 10 should have appealed and taken this to the Texas Supreme Court. I understand that it was during wartime, but they were neither causing "clear and present' danger, nor were they giving others an immediate time frame to take action. It was just ridiculous to listen to and watch... it got my heartbeat rushing.
Plus, suspending students and dropping their GPA to a 0.0... grades are the core of the United State's education system. That cut me deep.
I feel like the Southwest Texas was way more strict when it came to protest at the time. However, thinking about when this took place, there was a lot of controversy about the issue and being in the Texas, who has always been known as a conservative state, their actions make sense. A reason as to why I would take part in a protest would be if I personally felt like my rights and others were being violated. I will always stand for equality through rough times.
Katherine H. (12:30PM)
The suspension of students before the action took place simply because the admiration was scared and because the outcome could not be predicted. Clearly they have the right to express there opinion against the war even if the faculty of the university disagreed at that point in time. However, it is extraordinarily admirable that some of the students worked to graduate anyway despite the reprocusions taken against them.
Alexandra R. (12:30 PM)
Lauren V TTH 12:30
Regarding the progression of generations, I'm not at all surprised by the punishment that was inflicted upon the 10 TXST students. History has demonstrated countless times the thin line between war and the patriarchal society of that time. As far as participating in the protest, I don't find myself going back in time and taking part... However, I am a firm advocate of fair and equal treatment, most especially, for my fellow peers. I would have been part of a protest against the universities decision to infringe upon the first amendment rights of these 10 students and the harsh punishments they were given.
Jordin S. TTH 12:30
I thought it was super interesting to see the old pictures of Texas State, especially the free speech zone that we all pass nearly everyday on campus. The decision to expel the students due to their political views seems a bit harsh to me, but I guess that was in a different time period with different morals. While I may not agree with all the protests that go on on campus today, it seems insane to me that fellow students could be punished so harshly for speaking their mind.
I'm very shocked that Southwest Texas went through such measures to stop the protests. Not only was this situation unconstitutional, but it seemed very corrupt. The fact that the protestors didn't even appear before a jury is appalling. Part of me wishes that the protestors would have appealed to a higher court. There was no "clear and present danger" and the San Marcos 10 were peacefully protesting. Expelling the students and dropping their GPA's was unnecessary and excessive. Opportunities for these students dissipated because of the punishment Southwest Texas handed to them. This was gross behavior on Southwest Texas' part.
If I was passionate enough about a cause, I would definitely protest on this campus. It's my right to do so.
Madeleine P.
TTH 12:30
I think this incident goes to show how much the world has changed since then, as well as how the laws have changed. The times are so different than they are now and subjects that were extremely controversial back in the day, are now considered the norm. I believe if you have a strong support or opposition of a specific subject, then protesting that subject should never be a problem unless violence arises. I particularly could not see myself protesting at all simply because I do not enjoy arguing with others, and I think a lot of protests can lead to unpleasant reactions. If there were a subject that I felt very passionately about, rather then protesting in public, I would most likely speak my opinion on social media or a personal blog instead.
Taeler K, Honors Tth
It was surprising to me to find out that students were actually expelled and stripped of their grade point averages.
I’ve always thought Texas State University was a majority liberal campus, but I guess at one point in time it was not.
When it comes to causes immigration is a vital one for me. I have some people very close to me that are not from the United States. I have grown up with them and now with the wishy washy travel bans they fear airports and having the ICE knocking on their door. This motivates me to be more active and use my voice to stand up for the people I love.
Looking back in time, it seems weird to think that things could be like that today. But at that time, it seems like it might have kind of been the norm in several places. Unfortunately now there is still some free speech suppression in different areas. But even at Texas State, we not only practice free speech, but we also have an area dedicated to it. Even if what we are saying is not what others want to hear, or we hear things we don't like, I am thankful we have the freedom we do today.
By the way, I'm in the online class. :)
Victor G. MC 4301, Online:
Even being situated in Texas during the Vietnam era, I am shocked by the callous actions on the part of the university in regards to the students being expelled and having all earned credit thrown out.
Granted, this was not National Guard troops taking aim or opening fire on students like at Kent State in Ohio. But still.
It does show though, peaceful protest is good for making yourself heard, and drawing other likeminded individuals into a number that cannot be ignored. It is vital.
Hopefully we do not reach a point, as it did during the Civil Rights protests and the Vietnam protests, were violent protest is needed to make changes occur. Many people forget that nothing actually got done to solve the issues being protested until business was interrupted and property was destroyed.
We need to learn from our history. Make the changes when asked, or the people will do more than simply ask.
The actions taken on part of the former Southwest Texas State with hindsight are shown to be on the wrong side of history. While the disciplinary actions taken by the University were not punishing of a criminal act, they do still result in serious consequences for those involved. Furthermore, the students were correct in their assessment that the administration was acting against the constitution (as seen in such decisions as U.S. v. O'Brien, Tinker V. Des Moines Independent Community school district, et. al.). In a broader sense, this case serves as a reminder to modern readers such as myself that universities (particularly in the state of Texas) were not always so kind to protestors looking to exercise their first amendment rights. With this being only a couple generations back, it serves as a warning to where we as a country may slip back to given these rights are not held in high esteem.
It looks like these protests at SWT/TXST happened about six months before the shootings at Kent State University in Ohio. It seems like it must have been an incredibly tense and divisive time at campuses across the country. The steam was building with the San Marcos Ten and the lid finally came off at Kent State. But nothing excuses the dean's refusal to allow the students to express their right to free speech and freedom of assembly. And those draconian punishments were absurd. It's hard to imagine an administration on a college campus acting in that manner these days. As for protesting, while I fully support everyone's right to march and express their views, I'm more inclined to express myself in the voting booth and with donations to groups that I feel will help bring about change.
Christopher T (online)
I’m was surprised when i first herd of the San Marcos 10, I was shocked the punishment these students received was pretty extreme. Administration lowered their GPA to zero and expelled was too much of a punishment for a peaceful protest, yet saw as a disruption to others. I don’t believe they should have been punished that way, I thought that what the first amendment is all about. It is crazy to think that Texas State is a Yellow Light school.
Alejandra Avila
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Nichole DeMarco (online)
I thought it was really surprising that Texas State took such drastic measures concerning the Vietnam protests. considering now a days, there are protests on our campus weekly and the university promotes freedom of speech in a peaceful manner. I think that if there was something politically that I truly did not want to happen or change, I would get involved with a protest. That being said, I would only involve myself in a peaceful protest because I think that violence does not solve anything and only makes matters worse in most cases.
Constance S. 12:30 Class
It makes me wonder about what time Texas State University implemented the "free speech areas" on campus. I couldn't believe they upheld the suspension of these students, and they had to finish their degrees later on in life. This is the school I'm attending and just a few months ago there were hundreds of students protesting in the quad.
I, personally, don't believe in the power of protestation. I believe in voting and going through the government to get what I want done. However, if I KNOW my liberties are being taken away. Just like the African-Americans did, I would just a hell of a lot of ruckus. There comes a point where voting and writing letters don't work anymore. Sometimes you have to run down the streets to get attention. While I may not necessarily agree with the political climate in the White House currently, I don't see any of my basic liberties being threatened. So I will continue to just vote.
Brooks R, TTh 12:30-1:50
I find it fascinating that the ruing went against the students, and they were expelled from the university from the anti-war protest; however analyzing the time period, I have a better understanding why that happened. The Vietnam war was heavily criticized, but it is undeniable that the government wanted to try to maintain order in the protest that were happening around the country. I believe Texas State expelled the students based on the fact that expelling these students would scare aware massive protests in the future. I do believe expelling the students was wrong, and if that happened today there would be massive out-cry to the student population about the way that justice was handled.
Courtney L. T/TH 12:30
It's interesting that the stallions have been a place for protest for years. I think that the students had the right to express their feelings and position when it came to the Vietnam War. I know from reading about vietnam war history that many universities had anti-war protests and had bad outcomes because of it. This article/video was the first time I learned about it being in San Marcos. The consequences the San Marcos Ten faced was sort of expected, especially back in those days. Since then, a lot but not much has changed because students can freely express without getting arrested and suspended from the university. I'm not really a person big on protesting. I know what i believe and stand for and don't think I should express it publicly.
Hattie L. T/Th - 12:30
This was such a trip for me to watch and listen to, to be completely honest because like the cases we've discussed in class recently which gradually led to the expansion of the First Amendment, the peaceful assembly and protest of these 10 Vietnam War protesters from years ago mirror what is going on in our society today. I think what is really significant about the San Marcos protesters is the tremendous political and social factors that changed the outcome of this war protest on campus. These 10 students who were expelled from Southwest Texas State University for expressing their free speech rights would've never suffered those same consequences if it happened in today's society. During the Vietnam War, the First Amendment didn't protect freedom of speech the way it does today because of the strict line drawn between the two opposing political parties and the social atmosphere of that time period (the inequality certain groups were treated with, specifically woman.) I think these 10 Vietnam War protestors made their historical mark on the stallion and expanded the way ideas (free speech) could be expressed while standing around it. I'm definitely one to stick up for what I believe in, especially with all the chaos and emotions this new election has caused, but during the time of the Vietnam War I'm not sure if my courage would prevail like it would today just because I know that at the stallion on Texas State campus, I can say whatever the hell I want and not suffer any types of consequences. I can make a point and stick up for what I believe in without the fear of getting in trouble by the "Dean of Students". People express their ideas and opinions, good or bad, at the stallion everyday.
Madison Morriss - TTH 12:30
I can't believe that the university even went to those actions to keep the San Marcos 10 from protesting the war. While they were peacefully assembled and not creating violence, I understand where the court's ruling may have come from. They didn't agree with the view of the 10 students, therefore they upheld the conviction. If this were to happen in today's time, I definitely would have gone down differently because we have altered society. I think the university took it too far by expelling and making the students GPAs 0, not giving them any transferrable credit. If this were to happen today, I think the ruling would have turned out differently.
Robert G. 12:30p.m. class
I think this video is very eye opening. I believe Southwest Texas at the time thought they were doing the right thing by breaking up the protest and not have that on there campus. But expelling the ten students and taking away all credits is crazy. Students should be able to express how they feel as long as they do it in a peacefully manner. If this was done not a private university like Baylor I believe the results would be different.
Making this video two months after 9/11 makes the video better. It brings the same feelings and emotions they had on those days so many years ago that it made them tell their stories better.
I do not believe I will be taking place in a protest anytime soon. I believe people need to focus on work and family and they will not have time to protest.
Tommy Moriarty TTh 12:30 class
The logic behind the schools suspension was pretty faulty. Because what the students were saying caused a commotion they were suspended even though they didn't cause violence. I am glad the first amendment interpretations have changed so now we can share alternative viewpoints with others in the school. Even though it gets loud and messy, at least we can have our voice heard.
I think protests cause us all to strengthen our views wether you are for or against the ideas being protested. The conversation opened up forces us to find our own truth.
If I felt the need to protest in a public way I believe I would, but currently I prefer to protest by spreading my ideas to friends and family who are sometimes easier to talk to.
12:30 TH
I think it's crazy that Texas State would expel 10 students who were trying to express their concern as citizens of The United States. Even today, lots of students stand up and speak freely about what they believe in and have protests at the stallions all the time. There are policemen who watch the protest to make sure it does not escalate into something bigger, however they have not stopped a protest from my knowledge. I think the one thing that would motivate me to participate in a protest would be the political aspect. The day after President Trump was elected, hundreds of students, including myself, stood up for what we believed in and used our First Amendment rights.
Nathan Seibert TTh 12:30pm class
I think it's very shocking to see how strict and uptight Texas State used to be and how they weren't very open to free speech at the time. I think it was very unfair of Texas State to expel the students and decrease their GPA to 0 for nonviolently protesting. I think it's great that we're living in a time where people are much more accepting of free speech and the right to protest. I think voicing your opinion and having it be heard is really important right now.
Miranda F. TTh 12:30pm
The video and sound clip did not surprise me at all. Considering that the San Marcos Ten were attending Texas State University during the 20th century south, I believe that their punishment was probably fair compared to other universities during that time. While they had the freedom to speak and the freedom to gather, the San Marcos Ten may have taken their messages too far -- for their time, at least.
Back then, it was frowned upon to disagree with the war effort, so even though the students protested at the Stallions, they were still sending anti-government/establishment messages -- something much more controversial back then than it is today.
In terms of free speech today, I believe that students have a lot more freedom when it comes to expression and speech on campus. The freedoms we have today directly correlate to the struggles and constructs that previous students faced - such as the San Marcos Ten. Today, the university has rules and regulations in terms of expressing free speech at the stallions, and we only have rules today because of things that have occurred in the past. We are allowed to speak without disciplinary action as long as we keep it peaceful and within university guidelines - something the school didn't seem to have during the Vietnam War. If there were preset rules and regulations at the stallions during 1960s and 1970s, the San Marcos Ten may not have been affected.
I'm just thankful that we are allowed to express our thoughts and opinions without disciplinary actions today. I believe that our privileges come from the struggles of previous students and university administrations. We are a growing university, and with growth, must come change.
I had no idea that Texas State used to be that strict, but it is not surprising to me that they were, considering it was the late 20th century in the South. One thing I found particularly interesting is that LBJ, who got us involved in Vietnam, went to Texas State, and that is probably another reason the consequences were so strict towards these students. This information made me want to learn more about the San Marcos Ten, because they are an inspiration. If I was alive during that time period, I would have probably protested the war also, but being that I am a black female, I probably wouldn't have gotten in at the time. I have family that served in Vietnam, and it was one of the worst wars we ever were involved in, mostly because our own soldiers didn't even know why they were fighting.
I have taken part in protests, and they have been a mix of personal and political issues. As I said, I am a black woman, so if my ancestors could protest and get beaten and arrested for my freedoms today, then I can do it also. Luckily, most times at least, I don't have to fear getting harmed by police or members of the opposite race when I speak my mind or protest peacefully. We have come a long way, but I think we can all agree that we still have a long way to go.
Ashley R. 12:30
This only highlights how the privilege that resonates in so many sectors of our society today. It is crucial for an individual to take a step back and question how things are, how they became about and why. We are fortunate enough to inhabit a university that enables free speech now as opposed to the 1960s and 1970s. It is not surprising that only one of ten students returned to Southwest Texas to graduate considering the motives and beliefs of the institution reprimanded the individuals for their beliefs and voice.
Recently, I marched at the Texas State Capitol for the Woman’s March and I would do it over again and again. I marched for what I believe in. I marched for equal pay for women because women are paid 30% less than their male counterparts. As a young woman entering her professional job this impacts me and I refuse to idly stand by and allow this to keep happening. I marched for women to have access to affordable contraceptives (and no this does not mean I advocate abortion) in order to ensure safer sex. I marched because women in the past did this for me so I would be able to work and attend school the way I do today. If it weren't for the courageous women of the past who demanded a change be made I wouldn't be able to vote, work, voice my opinions or attend an institution to receive a higher education. I marched with love. I marched to make a difference for my children and their children. No matter who became elected president these are concerns that needed to be addressed and that is why I marched. I marched because I have the privilege to because I live in a free country. I marched for those who couldn't. I acknowledge the fact that we all have different opinions but I ask for people to listen and when you speak, speak with love.
However, if the opportunity arises I would love to protest on behalf of those who do not have a voice—animals. In my daily actions I make choices that coincide with my animal activist beliefs such as consuming only cruelty-free products and not eating meat, and along with that I am constantly informing myself about matters in the animal rights realm.
I agree with everyone else when they say how bizarre it is that Texas State has not always implemented the right of such free speech. You always see students on the stallions expressing their views so to hear that the San Marcos Ten were punished for standing up for what they believe in breaks my heart. However, I do understand that times have changed and such punishment may not happen today.
I have never marched or spoke out publicly, but I am not opposed to it. If I felt passionately about a cause I would be down to act on it. I am very into feminism and equality for everyone, but I have not gone to any rallies or anything.
Caitlyn M 12:30 TTH
Katherine L. 12:30 p.m. Class TR
Based on the time period and the location of SWT I'm not at all surprised at the actions o the school or the ruling judge. It's unfortunate that in an educational environment students were punished or expressing their first amendment rights.
There are multiple situations that I will/would protest. In high school I participated in different types of protests and demonstrations on social issues. I believe there is still a huge amount of oppression towards women in the workforce and in the public arena. That's something I would/have stood up for when the occasion arose.
Masey McCracken 12:30 T/R
In a way, I am not surprised that South West Texas was more close minded about freedom of speech then than they are now. It was a different time period, but it's crazy to think about how far we have come. Texas State University is now very open to freedom of speech and there are always people expressing this right on the stallions.
Personally, I am not one to participate in protests. If there was ever anything I felt strongly enough about to express my opinion in that way, then I am sure I would, but I usually choose to express my opinion in different ways.
Jessica Stilley - ONLINE CLASS MC4301
I was not aware that the 10 Southwest Texas State University students were expelled during that period of time with the Vietnam war going on, but I am not surprised to say the least. I believe we have made a lot of progress since then as a university, though there is still plenty more to be done. Today, students protest all sorts of things at the stallions and it seems that our freedom of speech is pretty protected by the university. I think in today's age if something like that were to happen and the dean tried to expel 10 students for protesting, there would be a serious problem on the hands of the university. Our generation is encouraged to speak up now and its unfortunate that the 10 students who were expelled for standing up for what they believed in, were not encouraged in the same way. Even to go as far to not let Bayless walk across the stage and receive his diploma is something I cannot fathom.
I am thankful that our university has improved in some ways concerning freedom of speech/protest. However, right now I don't feel I would take part in a protest. I don't feel severely strong enough about something that would make me think that I would need to join a protest, but if something arose where I felt I needed my voice to be heard, I may consider taking part in one.
Kendra C.
T/TH 12:30-1:50
I find it extremely appalling that the San Marcos 10 students were expelled from school and had their GPA's dropped down to a 0. That was way too excessive of a punishment and not necessary especially because they participated in a silent and non violent antiwar protest. The protest was peaceful and no disturbance towards the Southwest University was done.
The San Marcos 10 students rights were violated during this case. The administrators should have approached this in a different measure.
Personally, I am a firm believer in standing up for what you believe in so I think I would participate in a protest if it was a topic I felt strongly about.
Jennifer K. T/TH 12:30-1:50
Upon finishing the video and interview clip I was shocked at the actions the school took towards the students, but considering the time the protest took place I would be lying if I said I was surprised. The punishments were harsh, excessive, unnecessary and ridiculous, and ultimately stripped the students of their First Amendment rights that they were expressing in a silent and non-violent way.
It's interesting to think about how far we've come as a university yet it's important to think about how much further we have to go. Whether it be through a protest or a civil debate, I would absolutely stand up for something that I feel strongly about.
Leela S, Honors.
The case of the San Marcos 10 honestly shocked me, not in the fact that the protest happened and that people were opposed to it, but in the fact of how severe their punishment was. Seeing the pictures from the protest with the protesters gathering around the very same spot that so many people do on this campus - the free speech zone that we hold so dear - made me curious to see when exactly the stallions statue became a free speech area.
While I was unable to find an exact date (maybe I am not digging deep enough), I was able to find out that the stallions were not actually a designated free speech area until after the case of the San Marcos 10 was decided. The free speech area in that time was actually closer to Old Main and Centennial, and very strict time-frames and regulations were set up for that area.
In the Circuit Court case for the San Marcos 10, the students argued that these restrictions went against their First Amendment right, but the court decided otherwise. The judges concluded that the regulations did not keep them from practicing their right to free speech and assembly, just that it helped the university keep things from getting out of hand. I completely disagree with the ruling, as those regulations to me - particularly the small windows of time that you were allowed to speak - seemed ridiculously strict and unnecessary. Thornberry, the concurring judge, stated that the rules, while strict, didn't actually prohibit from practicing your First Amendment right in other places at other times, but in my opinion Martine's reaction to the protest did just that.
In a way, I'm not too surprised at the punishment and the ruling, as there were still cases that were defining what speech was protected and what speech was not even after this situation. But I am appalled that the administration would go so far as they did with the specifics of the punishment. I believe, after reading the cases we have discussed in class as well as my own thoughts on the issue of free speech, that this was taken to an unnecessary extreme and that it shouldn't have happened.
As for whether I would protest for a cause, I would say yes, because I have done so before. While I was unable to make the Women's March on Austin in January, I did attend the Love Trumps Hate protest that happened in the quad - at the Stallions statue no less - on November 10th last year. Now keep in mind that there were a lot more - and I mean a lot more than 100 people at this protest. While I didn't stand on the stallions with a sign (by the time I got there that day there wasn't room on the statue), I stood in the surrounding crowd in support and unity to help reject the hate and bigotry that had descended on the campus through threatening fliers the day before. I documented the event through photography, because I felt the importance of that day and the unity it presented would be important to have for the future. While I have been unable to stop at some of the smaller protests that have happened since, I would be willing to do it again.
The case of the San Marcos 10 has made me pause today, not in the hesitance to join a protest, but in seeing that what happened with their situation actually helped lead the university to where it is now to give us the opportunity to do protest today.
Emily S Online class
I'm surprised that the school I go to now, which has allowed so many protests just in this past year, would expel 10 students for what happens daily now. The reasoning behind it, according to the NPR podcast, makes no sense. They weren't causing a disruption but it's possible they could. I would think that until they were causing a disruption no action should be taken. Once it was disrupting, then they should tell them to stop. I'm surprised the judge upheld the expulsion, but understand it if the free speech rules on campus are hazy. However, something should be done to make them clear and so that they can not infringe on students' rights in the future.
There are many things I am passionate about, but nothing that I would protest as of right now because of my job as a journalist. I do not want to risk my credibility and add to any bias in stories by taking part in a protest. The only instance that might be strong enough is if we get into a situation like we did in WWII with the Japenese internment camps. I absolutely would protest for basic human rights.
I find it shocking that the "San Marcos 10" were expelled from the University and had a lot of consequences for standing up for what they believed in a non-violent protest. There are constantly a lot of protests or events at the Stallions today that I feel are equivalent, if not more verbally chaotic then what the Vietnam War protest seemed to be and I didn't think that the administration would act against free speech so harshly as they did with that protest. I feel like if there were any social or environmental causes that I felt strongly about such as animal or child abuse, I would be motivated to take part in that protest.
May Olvera 12:30 PM
Personally, I do not find it shocking that students were expelled from Texas State for protesting. San Marcos has an extremely problematic history, much of which can be found in the Public Library archives if you search through local publications of any time period. What is more interesting to me is the foundation of activism that has constantly been laid down by countercultures here: the anti-war movement, chicano movements, and now young leftist activists putting themselves on the line daily for what we believe in.
When I first heard of the San Marcos Ten last year, I followed up with some of them and found that many of them disagreed with young people protesting the Iraq war. It seems like something happened throughout their lives - perhaps the rise of Reagan and neoliberalism - that changed their mind about what is worth fighting for and how exactly to fight for it. I can only hope that this does not happen to all of the brilliant activists that I know today.
As someone who has always been dedicated to activism, any form of injustice would motivate me to protest; however, while I was heavily involved in campus activism my first two years at Texas State, I've found myself tired of how many people follow through with direct action. Action cannot start or stop with one protest, and a protest cannot end without a further call to action and solid coordination. In my opinion, that is what many young activists are missing today: direction and organization. I think we're doing good things though. I'm confident that Millennials will change the world through direct action and any authority that stands in our way (like our university stood in the way of the San Marcos Ten) will be met with further resistance.
Louis Z, TTh 12:30 pm class
The fact that the interview was conducted after the 2001 terrorist attack was I believe one of many signs that America was trying to change and represent some change and light after 9/11. I saw the interview as a way to remind us that people made drastic and unfair changes back then (suspending the students for the protest at South West Texas) and show that we must change the way we approach certain situations and topics for the better. I also see the interview being done to remind people that these students did graduate at some point, even if it was years later. So what I'm saying is that bad things happen to people, but good things can also occur if one allows them to. Granted the suspension of those students happened because times were different back then, and we can all agree rules and regulations are different now. Some laws are still the same such as when protest has to be considered a "peaceful protest" that does not disturb the classes around on campus. Things do change and other actions stay the same, but a lot of choices are made for the better.
Nia J. TTh 12:30 p.m. class
It's hard for me to grasp that the San Marcos 10 were suspended from the university with such harsh punishments for having a peaceful protest at the stallions. The same stallions that I pass by on my way to class and hear people shout outrageous things. I am relieved by the fact that nowadays students are not as restricted with the rights they express on campus. It was interesting to note that Texas State is rated as a yellow light school by the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education and that the university has at least one ambiguous policy that can be abused by administration or used arbitrarily.
I would be motivated to take part in a protest if it's something that affects me directly me or something I'm passionate about. I think that if you're going to take part in a protest you have to understand what exactly you're protesting and be passionate about it. I commend the San Marcos 10 for continuing to express their rights regardless of the academic consequences for them.
It was super interesting to learn about the San Marcos 10. I have never previously heard anything about that from the University's history and its interesting to learn about the punishments they received from the University in protesting so peacefully during the Vietnam War, but I wasn't surprised by the measures taken by the school at the time, especially considering the history of the University up until that point.
Learning this has made me really consider the unique history the Stallions have on the campus, and what they represented then and what they mean now in terms of protest and the exercising of free speech rights on University property.
Audrey Haight
T/TH 12:30-1:50
I was left in shock after listening to the San Marcos 10 and reading all about the repercussions that came from what sounded like a peaceful protest on Southwest Texas State's campus. It shocked me so much because of how our campus is today- open minded, free spirited, and understanding and sympathetic to other's point of views. This would never happen on Texas State's campus today and I am very proud of that. To know at that time though that the Dean expelled those students and had their GPA's go down to zero is wild. Those students did not deserve that just for peacefully speaking their minds about the Vietnam War. But I guess it was a different time, but I still think it was unacceptable.
Blake F. 12:30 TTR class
I think its ridiculous how the students were suspended and received a 0.0 GPA and did not receive any college credit considering how hard they worked and they were just standing up for what they believed in. Today, we see so many people at the stallions and just everywhere else on campus that its hard to believe the school doing that, there wouldn't be many students left on the campus i suppose. I feel if there were a cause out there today I strongly stood by I would back it especially because today we have the freedom to do so. It's hard to think of getting suspended for expressing your beliefs.
Tommy M. TTh 12:30-1:50
I am in disbelief over the penalties handed down to the San Marcos 10. The protest was peaceful and clearly nonviolent. By no means did they deserve to have their course credits erased and GPAs reduced to zero. They each earned those credits and grades before the protest. I can understand the suspension, but still think the punishment was extreme considering they were standing up for something they believed in and were not causing a disturbance. Today, it would be highly unusual to not see people protesting about one issue or another. Universities are diverse and are replete with competing values and ideas. Ultimately, this diversity leads to learning. This is why freedom of speech on campuses is so important and should be protected. Students should not have to fear punishment for protesting peacefully.
I am absolutely shocked about all of this. I love Texas State and the fact that we have so much freedom of speech on our campus that we even have a spot dedicated towards it. For the San Marcos 10 to be expelled and have their GPAs dropped was definitely an overreaction considering that they were peacefully protesting. It made me really sad to listen to this but very grateful for the Texas State I know and love today.
I find it hard to realize that Texas State used to be so strict on people voicing their opinion. Now our school is so open to speaking about how you feel and voicing your thoughts on things so for this to happen to those students is very crucial. By any means they did not deserve the punishment they received. I can realize that suspension because they were kind of a disturbance but the other punishments were just crucial. Freedom of speech is so important in our world today because we get to voice our minds, anyone deserves to say how they feel.
Zephanie Battle T/TH 12:30 PM
I believe the San Marcos 10 were wrongfully expelled from the university because of a peaceful protest standing. In the NPR interview, someone said that they [San Marcos 10] weren't being disruptive in their protest but stated that someone else claimed that the protest itself could lead to disruption. In my opinion, the protest would cause disruption only if someone made the San Marcos 10 protest a big deal, basically causing a scene.
Just like in the 'Tinker v. Des Moines' case, the students just wanted to participate in a peaceful, quiet protest of the Vietnam War. Their protest was taken to court only because the school they attended made a scene about it and suspended them.
With the San Marcos 10, because other protesters left, the San Marcos 10 probably were perceived as defiant and "disruptive" because they wouldn't back down and leave with the rest. It just goes to show that there are some hidden rules and regulations that the university has on its students that we really are not aware of, which could be stripping us of our basic rights as people to participate in free speech.
I was shocked to hear that the 10 students were stripped of their credits AND given a 0.0 GPA. That's ridiculous! Times were different back then, but it's eye-opening. The university went to the extreme to censor the San Marcos 10. I feel like Texas State is known for being an open-minded campus now; especially in regards to the First Amendment. This was really interesting, prior to this I was not aware of the San Marcos 10.
I or someone very close to me would have to be directly impacted in order for me to take part of a protest against something. I hate to say it, but it's true. I don't think protesting is for everyone and some things can't be changed by protest..
DeMarcus C. TTh 12:30pm
Austin R ONLINE MC4301
Countries usually build support for wars by getting the public to believe that if you do not support the war than you do not country. The well-being of the country is intertwined with a war effort that injects nationalism into society. The nationalism of this time was also rooted in anti-communism via the fear of the domino effect that would happen if Vietnam became communist. American nationalism in the Vietnam era was fueled by the idea that America was the great defender of capitalism on the global stage. People in this time were also confronted by generations that had served in previous wars: WWI, WWII, and the Korean War. The fact that previous generations all came to the call of duty, along with a flawed sense of nationalism created an environment where Southwest Texas State University administrators felt embarrassed by having students protest the war. They chose to counteract the students protests by exercising harsh punishments that were in clear violation of the students First Amendment rights. I would have gladly joined the protests, and I wouldn't need my credits from the university because I would be enrolling at a college in a different state.
Ruben Garza T/TH 12:30 PM
There are many countries of the world that restrict the use of speech. We happen to be lucky enough to live in a country that prides itself on the foundation of "free" speech. However, we find time and time again through our history that our free speech is only as free as the government allows it to be. This is not to say that our free speech should be restricted, but I think it is important to remember how fluid the law can be, in this regard. I want to side with the San Marcos Ten in their protests against the Vietnam War as it should be their constitutional right to do so. Yet, I find myself seeing both sides of the coin, and I understand why they received such a harsh punishment in the past. I hope that one day we the people can find a way to protect the rights of everyone along with the government laws we created.
Doesn't sound really all that surprising to me, especially during that time. Texas State University seems to be a lot more liberal. I would make a participate in a protest if somehow my religion, Christianity, was being ruled unlawful or something to that sort. Kind of hard to say though.
Will Elliott T/TH 12:30PM
Morgan B. T/TH 12:30 PM
I am shocked that this event is a part of Texas State's history. Considering we are and always have been a public Texas University. I also am surprised that this event had such a controversial reaction because the stallions are a spot where everyone knows you are free to speak what you believe.
I would consider entering into this protest if I was personally influenced by the war. If I had a family that was drafted into the war, and I had lost them because of fighting, I would feel obligated to protest with the San Marcos 10.
Although at first I was surprised about how strict Texas State used to be, it really isn't that surprising considering the time this was happening. Not that I'm saying I agree or think it's right, but you have to understand where it was coming from. I personally don't think I would have taken part in the protest UNLESS I was directly affected. I know right now, people my age are very quick to protest and make their voices heard which is their choice, but I personally don't see a point in protesting because it almost always results in nothing changing. I do give the San Marcos Ten credit, but I see why they were punished so harshly too. You have to think of things from both sides, which is sometimes hard to do, but if you can you should be able to understand the two parties.
Alexandra Bellafatto. 12:30-1:50 T/Th class
Julia P. 12:30 T-TH
I was very surprised at the punishment issued to the San Marcos Ten. The fact that they got expelled and had their GPA was dropped to zero is very extreme, just because they were voicing their stance on the war. At this point in time, if I saw that it was taking a toll in the community around me, a political cause would motivate me to take part in a protest.
I was trying to think of another punishment that would’ve been less outrageous, but there shouldn’t be one when you are practicing your First Amendment. Last semester I was able to witness my first protest on campus and I am very appreciative of how the university handled it.
“While we encourage individuals in our university community to openly express their thoughts, we expect them to do so with civility and in a collegial manner that reflects Texas State’s core values.” This came directly from an email President Trauth, sent to everybody.
I have yet to take part of a protest but that doesn’t mean I never will. I do find it important to know what it is exactly that I am “fighting” for before doing so. I have seen a few people protesting, getting questioned, and giving an answer that doesn’t really make sense.
Mariah Mandel
TTH 1230pm
Ashley Keathley T/TH 12:30-1:50
I had no clue Texas State used to be so closed off to the idea of protest and free speech, especially considering how we're so huge in that area now. However, Sadly, that doesn't surprise me in a sense, but it does infuriate me that they expelled those students and treated them in such ways when they weren't actually saying anything harmful. I do believe in the power of protest and would take a stand in something i truly believe in.
The craziest thing about all of this to me was a blurb from the YouTube video that stated TXST is a yellow-light school, meaning they are possibly breaking at least one law regarding student's free speech rights (more or less what the quote said, it's at marker 2:15). It's 2017 and the U.S. is STILL having the same discussions that were happening the 70s regarding the right to peacefully protest. It also made me so, so angry to hear that the judge said the people around the San Marcos 10 were the ones causing the disruption. It's definitely eye opening to see the parallels from that generation to ours.
Kristina J.
TTh 9:00-10:50
Vanessa Mora
TTh 12:30-1:50
The reports invoked a reaction from me which was two-fold: taken aback and inspired. Regarding the former, I found myself to be taken aback by the actions and decisions of the Dean of Students as well as the judge who passed down the ruling passed to the San Marcos Ten because it seems so counter intuitive to me that my university (and the legal system), at one point in time, felt it necessary to stifle the expression of the student body. These were students who had made the decision to better themselves by attending college, something that less common in the 60s, and yet they ultimately found themselves being punished by the very institution which they had believe would improve their future simply because they expressed an opinion. However, as I said, this also inspired me. It inspired me in the sense that it reinforced my personal convictions towards expressing my voice.
My first reaction is WOW! Although it does not come as a surprise that students advocating their opinions find themselves in a situation like that. I would like to think that Southwest (Texas State for those who are not aware of name change) are not subject to punishment as extreme to this but unfortunately not. Ideas of free speech were much different during this time frame. Jumping into 2001, perhaps the university would of had a different approach. If in fact I was in university during 9/11, I would probably been a part of that openly political and opinionated movement.
It is shocking to me that the Dean of students was both legally and ethically able to strip these 10 students of their education. These students were "peacefully protesting" and not disrupting learning by any means. I believe it takes a lot of courage to protest for something you strongly believe in - Something I don't think I would be able to do myself, so I idolize these students for being able to do so. It is crazy to think those 10 students were out by the Stallions that I pass by everyday and see students practicing those same rights they were deprived of. I also found it very interesting that one of the 10 students even came back to finish his degree here - Way to take the high road!
Kaylee Sullivan
TTHU 12:30
I find it really shocking to see how the Dean along with other Southwest Texas Officials suspended the San Marcos 10 for one year. It is really hard to believe that, because now Texas State University has various protest by the stallions and many of the audience makes lots of noise, and no one is suspended. I think Texas State University is more liberal than it was before.
Felipe P.
12:30 PM class
Madison M.
12:30 PM T/TR
I honestly had no idea this ever happened. Normally, i'm not too particularly interested in politics or politics-related news. However, I found this video and recording very touching. It gave me the chills and kind of hurt my heart to hear about. It seems so wrong to be denied rights of protesting that isn't violent or distracting. I'm sad that these 10 students weren't allowed to attend school anymore. Even the guy that came back to our university wasn't able to walk across the stage for graduation. I just find this very tragic, and everything about it very, very sad. I, myself, would definitely partake in a protest. Normally, I try to stay out of the limelight even if I agree with what others are saying. However, when I watch a protest... whether it be in the Quad or on the news, I am always motivated to join (if I agree). I wasn't able to march for the Womens Rights movement earlier this year, because like I said I try to stay out of politics and didn't realize just how big that march was before it was too late. I wish I could've done so, but I'm glad that so many other woman marched for those of us that didn't. There are many reasons I would partake in a protest, but it ultimately comes down to if I think the issue being discussed is morally wrong. If it involves rape, racism, sexism, or any form of hate, lying or mistreatment, you would most likely see me standing up and wanting to protest.
It is kind of crazy how they expelled those ten students and dropped their GPA's to zero. Those students were bold to stand their ground on their freedom of speech. I don't think I would have had the guts to do that. It also blows my mind that the Dean and others are the ones that expelled those students for a "peaceful" protest. Today I feel like people aren't afraid to speak freely at the Stallions and share their opinion.
Katherine Cerda
Online class
After watching this video I can definitely see how different Texas State is opposed to now. I feel like being able to express what your opinion is so important on a campus as big as ours. Of course by saying that I mean peacefully and not violently.
Lexie U 12:30 p.m.
As I think about this event, I wonder how different life at Texas State would be today if the same rules that were applied during this protest were applied today. So many citizens and students use the stallions to express their opinions and exercise their free speech rights under the constitution. It seems unfair for them to be punished for their actions. I also wonder what the outcome would have been had all 100 plus students stayed till the end instead of just the 10.
I would like to think that if I felt strongly enough about a certain political event, belief or action that I would be able to express my thoughts freely on campus without consequences so long as I did so appropriately.
Mercedes J 12:30
I think that the entire encounter should have gained more attention. I think that if those ten students took Texas State to court that they might have found great success. I do feel like the nation was going through a crisis during that time period. War can have extreme effects on people emotionally and it is their given right to express those feelings publicly in peace. In my opinion the students weren't being disruptive and for those harsh consequences to follow was unjust. Myself as an individual would not have participated in the protest only because I prefer to keep my opinions to myself unless asked for.
Kolby G 12:30 class
Its really shocking to see how times have changed here in America. Although the times have changed, the rights of Americans have not. I think that its absolutely terrible to expel students for calmly expressing how they feel. I could definitely understand if they were breaking the law, but they were not. It seems as if the college itself had a problem with what the students were doing so they decided to punish them how they felt was necessary. this really goes hand in hand with a lot of what we have been learning in class. It really is sad to see that those students were punished in a way that was unconstitutional and unfair.
Skyler J Honors
My initial reaction to the University Star YouTube video was that we had talked about Texas State having 'questionable' policies that infringed on students' rights. I believe we talked about the University having a policy that prohibits students from writing or saying anything that might lead to a disturbance.
After listening to the NPR interview, David Bayless said when he was punished for the silent protest it was because their protesting had not caused any disturbances yet, but it possibly could (seemingly fitting the University's policy previously mentioned). That in itself seems a violation of the First Amendment, in which many court cases have decided policy like that does violate the amendment.
I have anxiety in big crowds, especially loud and claustrophobic crowds. I feel strongly about a lot of issues, but my overall anxiety stops me from participating. If a protest was seemingly organized like the one in 1969 at Texas State, I could see myself participating. I know many people would find this conclusion to be a privileged answer, but I don't see myself having any contribution to a cause if I spend the whole time having an anxiety attack, instead of fighting for the cause.
Alicia R. 12:30 class
Protesting is something that should always be allowed, as i believe it is an action that should be fully honored by the first amendment. I think it is terrible when people, such as the San Marcos 10, are punished for their belief and want for change. By protesting, the students that participated in the 1960s as well as today are able to share their opinions and spread a message. By deterring protest, officials are taking away that ability to "speak freely." To disallow protesting is to take away the voice of the masses.
I personally prefer to be a spectator when it comes to protest. I choose not to participate, but I love to watch people take action against or for what they are passionate about.
Archana Nair 12.30 pm
It's really surprising to see how strict the University's actions were and it's also crazy how times have changed. I would definitely take part in a protest about women rights or equality in general as long as it is a peaceful one.
Angela Vinson 12:30 class
I think it is interesting that this was such a disruption on our campus back then considering that protest on our campus is pretty common today. The ruling that they were interfering with the free flow education does not make sense to me considering they were being peaceful and the ones around them reacting to them were causing more of a scene. Protesting is a peaceful way to bring about change and I think our higher learning institutions should protect that.
It amazes me how far Texas State has come in regards to free speech. I can't count how many protests I've personally witnessed during my time here at the university, many of them not being silent. It infuriates me to look back and realize that had I decided to participate, I would have been expelled and completely wiped of all my credits and hours at the university. It amazes me even more that Bill Cunningham, a student reporter at the time, was fired for simply writing an editorial about the students being denied their first amendment rights. The consequences for a simple silent protest echo a totalitarian style of government rather than a democracy. If I had been a student at that time, I don't think I would have protested, but I definitely would have reported like hell to let the rest of the country know what was going on. As the fourth estate, it is our job as journalists to call out these kinds of injustices in hopes that we can prevent the infringement on our rights in the future.
Taylor Gourley T/TH 12:30 pm
Hearing about this made me very upset. I have always appreciated non-violent protests, and think that being allowed to share your opinion is one of the reasons our country is great. I travel a lot and have been to countries where if someone did a protest like this, they would be in jail, or worse, instantly. While I know most protests get shut down at some point, and I can understand that although they were not disrupting anything they "could" disrupt the draft in the future, the actions taken against them were absurd. That was no means for expelling them and dropping their GPA's to 0! As for me, I have already taken a part in some protests, in light of recent events. I attended the women's march in Austin, and it was truly amazing to see so many people like-minded standing together for what they believe in. I also cried like 3 times. Protesting is our right, so I think you should take advantage of that and fight for what you believe in!
Gabriella Barbosa
T/TH 12:30
Seeing that a non-violent assembly for a justifiable protest were the first amendment right is being practiced shows me that those students and 10 remaining at the end were in their rights to be protesting. Seeing that Texas State would fall under one of those cases that I thought should not have ended the way it did tells me that Texas State has greatly moved passed this scandal and allowed for protest that I see constantly in the quad to happen. I am happy to see that Texas State university has progressively moved past this era were they felt the need to censor students first amendment rights, because their personal views conflicted with it.
As for me personally being involved in protesting I would say that it would have to be socially and politically driven. I am not one to engage in protesting but if I felt 100% strongly towards a cause than yes I would participate. Standing for a cause that you strongly agree with and keeping that idea at heart is what motivates protesters to challenge the law or government or regulations. It is our right to do such and with that we should not be censored because the government does not like or agree with what we say. As long as no law is broke the message should be voiced.
Beau C. T/TH 12:30pm
I think this isn't surprising because this was a completely different time period. Oppression isn't something new to the 60s or even the United States. I don't agree with what happened to the protesters, but people being appalled by this are being ridiculous. I think people today are so used to being cradled in a sanctuary of free speech that they don't know what it is like to truly be oppressed or not heard. I don't think I would participate in a protest today simply because they don't have the meaning or the motivation they used to to actually get anything done. There's so much background noise and so many activists for "causes" that half the time a "protest" at the stallions could literally turn into any kind of protest you want it to be. Everyone muddles the message by finding something to complain about basically.
My initial reaction to learning about the 1969 protesters was a sense of pride. It's really reassuring to see that students then and now share the same desire to protest against anything they feel is unjust or oppressive. I was really shocked to hear that they were suspended, but the fact that they persevered through the unfair consequences was really inspiring. I recently participated in the Women's March in Austin at the state capitol to show support and solidarity with women across the country against the new president's administration. I believe that if there is any cause that makes you feel that you do not have equal rights as a citizen or even as a human then that is reason enough to protest. It doesn't matter if it's political, social, or environmental. What matters is that you have the freedom to stand up for what you believe is right. Thats what the San Marcos 10 did. Even though they were not directly affected by the draft, they didn't believe in what it stood for. They used their first amendment right to stand up for those who couldn't.
- Kaley Consford 12:30pm class
Alex Walkuski 12:30pm T/TH.
Wow. The limitations on free speech are mind blowing. I know we hear about how strict and crazy it was, but hearing it from actual Southwest Texas students and seeing what repercussions took place really put it into perspective for me. I would feel so intimidated if I knew I couldn't say what I feel and if I did there would be serious consequences. I'm thankful the first amendment protects us these days, but even in the rarest of cases we can slip through a loop whole and still be persecuted for what we say and feel.
Cassandria A
TTH Class
I can not help but agree with my peers on the fact that it is truly absurd that Texas State not only expelled the San Marcos 10 but dropped their GPA's to a 0 and granted that they have non re-transferable credits. I can not even being to fathom how I would feel if I were one of those students. I think that it is very interesting how one of the San Marcos 10 chose to go back to Texas State and get his degree.
Samantha W. TTH 12:30-1:50
Hearing the broadcast, from the San Marcos 10 Vietnam War protestors, I am shocked by the harsh punishments that they were given. From the broadcast, it is evident that these students were non-violent protestors who sinply wanted to make a statement. It is unfortunate that the punishment, for their silent protest, caused them to be expelled from the University. It is both unsettling and enlightening to know that this did not take place too long ago. These Southwest Texas State University students would not suffer the same consequences, today. Recently, I marched at the Texas State Capitol for the Woman’s March. From this blog post, I am able to reflect on how fortunate I am to stand up for what I believe and not suffer from the punishments that these students endured.
Cesar G. TTH 12:30-1:50
I find this story to be very shocking not only because of the punishments but also the fact that the number from around 100 students to 10. I am glad those bold students their ground in a non-violent protest. It is hard to say that these same students would not suffer the same punishments today. Having our own area to exercise our freedom of speech rights is something I will not take for granted.
Hunter. N TTH 12:30-1:50
I believe that what these students were standing up for was fair and just, unlike their punishment. Sadly, when dealing with a University administration, the constitutional law can go either way. In this case, it went against the students who thought to only be excising their 1st amendment right. As others have said, it's hard to say whether the students would be reprimanded in the same way today as the students back then. But I believe that over time we have had enough cases to look back on that would help lean in favor of the students today.
Andrew P. TTH 12:30-1:50
I find this story to be a sad area in the history of free speech. In my opinion, the students were not in the wrong and the Dean gave too strict of a punishment. The Dean himself even stated that the protest was not disturbing the school, but that the protest had the possibility of creating a disturbance. I see that as silencing someone before they are even allowed to express themselves. When someone is saying something that you just can't stand to listen to then just don't lend them your ears to speak to. Everyone has the right to speak what they want to speak and also the right to not listen to what they don't want to listen to. I feel that it is wrong to silence someone by shouting louder than they are. Simply give them no ears to shout to. I feel that those same students would not be punished today for the same crime they were punished for in 1969, and the University would actually receive a lot of backlash against the decision to use a punishment.
It was awesome to learn a little bit of history about something that happened here in San Marcos that was a part of something even bigger through out the nation. I want to say I was surprised that they were expelled but now that I look at it with the information I've been given in class, this just shows me how our freedoms were going through changes then, and how they've grown into what they are now. One topic that would inspire me to rally for would be how, our executive branch is labeling long-standing members of the press as "fake news" and completely disregarding hard science as the truth.
Kimberly Hazelwood TTH 12:30
This seems like a lifetime ago, but it was awesome getting to hear about something that took place here. Overall, I think it's surprising that something like this happened. It was a little drastic towards the students, but we have to remember that times were different. Sometimes we only focus on how things are now, and we fail to see how things used to be. As of now, there are plenty of protests that I would consider being a part of. The women's march was very enlightening, and honestly anything in relation to basic rights would have me going on and on.
I was not at all shocked by what I heard. Considering Texas has always been traditionally conservative, and at the time of the war speaking out was seen as un American. It makes sense that the university chose the course of action that they did, even though not necessarily correct.
I would protest or stand up for almost any civil rights movement.
Nyles R T/Th 12:30
Abigail Raymond T/TH 12:30
Talk about a flash back in time! At first I was really shocked to see the way that the faculty reacted to the protest of the war. It seemed unfair and not right. But as I think about it more it really does not surprise me that much due to the time period this happened it. During the Vietnam war free speech rights were a lot more loosing interoperated. If this were to happen just months after 9/11 I surely hope that the same consequences would have happened. Even though our country felt the need to fight back that is okay, but it is also okay for people to voice their opinions against the war. 9/11 was a very sensitive time for the pride of our country so it really would not surprise me if people got in trouble for not supporting the war. But throughout history there have been multiple cases that have shaped our free speech rights and their limitations. It is hard for me to say how people would act if this happened right after 9/11 because I was very little when it happened. Overall it was really cool to see some of Texas States history involving free speech.
It is really surprising to me, like most of my other classmates, that students were suspended for peacefully protesting on campus. It seems that there are protests in the Quad monthly ranging from many different topics. I think one of the best things about Texas State is that it has a very active political student body and the administration is very receptive to free speech. I thought it was also interesting that the ten students were suspended because they disrupting even though they were silently protesting. There definitely are political, environmental, and social causes that would make me protest. I believe that it is incredibly important for people, especially young people to stand up and protest issues that are important to them.
I found this video along with the NPR audio super interesting. It really ticked me off how students were protesting peacefully, not disrupting anyone's education and doing it in a designated area were asked to stop. And the ten which continued to protest, I feel, suffered a consequence way to severe for anything that they did. They were only exercising their first amendment right. it doesn't surprise me how a university in a conservative state would react this way, but it is awesome to see our university evolve and how much more liberal our campus and student have become. It's extremely important in present day to have this ability to speak out when our government infringes on people rights.
Thomas A. 12:30
Students protesting in the quad poses the question, "Aren't y'all supposed to be in class?." but expelling them from the university is a bit dramatic. This shows how much more the law has relaxed since 1969. These days, protest on campus are common. In my opinion, widely supported as long as it is not violent. I would take part in a protest if I felt strongly about the issues i was against. I would also choose a location that would best reach my target audience.
After listening to the audio, I must admit that it is quite shocking. I find it interesting, because it is essentially the history of San Marcos. It is also an excellent reminder of how far we have come as a society. Today, many are celebrated fro protesting peacefully. Of course many if not everyone is in agreement with the fact that it is insane that these students were expelled. Once again, I think it only validates that we have come a long way as a society. Sure nothing is perfect and injustices happen all the time, especially with in the legal system. The fact remains that it was a different time. If this was to have occurred in the year 2017, expulsion would not even be on the table. Rather it would open dialogue about what this issue is in a peaceful way. This is essentially what these students were attempting to do. sadly, it had a different outcome.
Melanie Peña Media Law TTH12:30-1:50
John Gonzales T,TH 12:30
I too think it is crazy how strict Texas State used to be, but then again am not completely shocked given the place in time when this priest happened. It truly is mind blowing how freedom of expression in any form was so suppressed back in the day where as today we can see anybody at every corner expressing their political views, it any views they might have. I think the biggest issue i would find my self in a protest would be environmental problems, because it seems like no one is taking these things serious and it is a very serious issue i would like to have my kids on a healthy and promising earth, but why the looks of it that idea is kind of shady
Destiny Reyes T,TH 12:30
This truly infuriates me. We all know that this point in time was an extremely sensitive time for EVERYONE in the United States. My own uncle was drafted into the Vietnam War. He even lost both of his legs less than 6 months in. So you can imagine the hurt this brings me. If I would have been a student back in 1969, knowing that my uncle was going to lose his legs because of the war, I would have been protesting too. It impresses me that all 10 of the students continued to persevere and graduate despite that the University suspended them and dropped their GPA to 0.
Denise C. T,TH 12:30 PM
The extent of what the University did to punish the protestors was a little strange to me. I wouldn't say it was shocking considering the climate of the Vietnam war. It seemed as if the San Marcos ten could have fought for their first amendment right more. I wonder what student's reactions today would be if the administration attempted to shut down protests held this past semester.
I have participated in political protests on campus and off campus due to the recent administration.
Montana Kilgore T,TH 12:30 PM
I am truly inspired by the San Marcos ten, standing up for what they believed in no matter what. I would participate in a non violent protest if it was something I believed in and I would hope unlike this situation that my freedom of speech and assembly would not be taken away. I am pretty shocked that this expulsion was upheld being that the protestors were not the ones disrupting the flow of education. I've always thought of Texas State as a diverse and accepting school, so it is surprising that at one point even the Texas State's of the world were fighting with the expression of the rights of people.
Spencer Borst T/TH 12:30
This is also my first time hearing about the San Marocs 10! It was interesting to learn new things about our school & it's history. I was so surprised that they were so strict on these students for having an opinion & standing up for what they believe in when our school is so supportive of free speech today. I personally don't think I would take part in the protest, however. I'm not one to go against the rules if I know I will get in trouble!!
Brooke W.
Honors Class 9:30am
Feb. 23
It is hard to put into perspective such restriction and unnecessary action from the Dean at the time, because we walk through campus today and there is quite often someone out there by the stallions with signs or speaking on issues they feel need to be expressed. It makes you think about how far this school has came to embrace the first amendment.
It is something beautiful to see actually, because lots of people sit in silence thinking that they won't make a difference, (and those people are also ones that don't fulfil their right to vote). Any one person counts. Action has to happen in order for something to have a chance at being successful. This reminds of a great poem called "Protest" by Ella Wheeler Wilcox provided in the link if you would like to read it. https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/protest-8/
As an american citizen I would exercise my rights and join in on protests if one was to come about that I wanted to aggree or disagree with.
To me this was very shocking to me how Southwest Texas State University used to be. It was interesting listening to these students. I do not think the dean had to go to the extreme which was a bit harsh. I personally would not see myself protesting because I am not the type of person to argue with others. I think if this were to happen today things would definitely be much different.
Sara Howard
Class 12:30 T/Th
Its crazy how restricted the university was back at that time. When you think about it, after the attacks, everything really became super paranoid. Obviously for good reason, but to think that we may have gone back on some of ideas now is an interesting look at how time heals all wounds. Obviously things arent completely healed, but things have absolutely changed from then to now. I dont think I am the type of person to do any sort of protesting, no matter how good/bad the cause is. Im just not that type of person, but I do applaud those who take the time to do that and understand that it is very important to our society.
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Zach S.
MC4301 Online
The most interesting thing found in this story is how times have changed. I always thought that universities and colleges were epicenters for free flowing opinions, ideas, and lifestyles. I would have never thought that students would suffer consequences from protesting as drastic as wiped GPAs and expulsion. I'm sure something like this could happen again in the future, especially if the topic were as controversial as the war in Vietnam.
I personally don't think I would participate in protest because I'm a very reserved individual. This is not to say I wouldn't be willing to fight for my own beliefs or ideals, I just can't see myself participating in this sort of format.
Ben N.
MC4301 Online
I was very surprised about the reaction of the University regarding the peaceful protest that the ‘ten’ led. I feel strongly about a person’s right to free speech and ability to make their opinions known. This was a very interesting time and I feel has enhanced our ability to speak more freely and not fear the mainstream. I felt the expulsion from the University was wrong and over the top on many levels. I do feel that I would be drawn to protest social issues and speaking out. I have spoken out for persons with disabilities and would be willing to protest on a larger level for this issue. I also feel strongly about political issues and would be willing to stand in a forum of protest as well.
Dan Patino
T/H 12:30
Although this protest might have been upheld at the trial court level, I see it hard to pass at the appellate or supreme court level because of the majority opinion released by Justice Abe Fortas in 1969 Tinker V. Des Moines Independent Community School District case, stating that it was the job of the education institution prove that the conduct in question would "materially and substantially interfere" with the educational process.
It's important to understand however that at this time (1969) the War effort in our oversees conflict with northern Vietnam was a successful and noble endeavor against communism and for democratic liberty. With President Johnson's presidential term ending on January 20th of 1969 and Nixon's term beginning, there might have some disagreements on policy, especially in terms of his Vietnamization policy to pull troops out of Vietnam. But the public wasn't fully aware of how bad it all was until The Pentagon Papers case.
Looking at it in the time that it happened, it makes sense that the situation played out the way it did. Whether or not I agree with it is a different conversation.
Bethany Hardie T/Th 12:30
It was really interesting to learn about a little bit of history through acts that happened here at Texas State, although I’m not entirely surprised that these students where expelled because of the era. This makes me feel grateful that I live in a time where, if I chose to do so, I could express my oppositions on campus without repercussions. It’s also very empowering how their freedoms and expressions where challenged and their rights where experiencing changes when I see today how our freedoms have grown and are now being challenged even further.
Ben McInnis T/Th 12:30
It's really interesting to see how much Texas State has changed since the time when this protest occurred. These 10 students were kicked out of school for something that happens here all the time now. They were obviously treated unfairly by school administrators. What the school did was a clear suppression of political speech and the fact that this is a public university means it was a violation of the First Amendment. The argument that the students' actions would cause a disturbance doesn't stand up to scrutiny as the messages on their signs like "Peace Now" were very subdued and couldn't be perceived as inflammatory by any reasonable person. If anyone caused trouble in response to the protest, they should have been the ones who were disciplined as they would have been responsible. I would protest against unfair drug laws, mainly those involving marijuana. I don't recognize anyone's right to tell me not to use it, which I do every day.
Jessica Talamantez T/TR 12:30 p.m.
This protest reminded me of Tinker v. Des Moines. This protest took place in February 1969 while the Tinker case received it's ruling on Feb 24, 1969. One of the participants of the protests mentioned that they were not causing a disruption, which was a key factor in the Tinker victory. However, the faculty shifted the blame of disruption to students surrounding the protest. In a more recent court case, this logic would not have stood up because now you can not arrest the speaker for the actions of the crowd.
I was also interested in what they meant when they mentioned that Texas State had some yellow lights when it came to free speech rights. I looked it up and found the document I linked below. It turns out that colleges in the state of Texas have liberal free speech and Texas State is better than other colleges, but still not perfect. The term, yellow light, means that we have some rules that can be interpreted ambiguously. Several colleges in the state have been red lighted, which means that they have rules limiting free speech, including University of Texas Austin. This is the link, http://txccri.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Campus-Free-Speech-Paper-1.pdf>Texas Campus Speech Policies.
Haley H, 12:30 pm class
I love hearing about the rich history of Texas State University. I was shocked at how the university handled things. It definitely gives a new perspective when walking through campus. I don't know if there are any causes that I have enough passion to motivate me to protest. I really wanted to go to the women's march but big crowds like that make me extremely anxious.
Hannah H, 12:30 class..
I was shocked to hear that Southwest Texas took such drastic measures. Growing up in San Marcos, I was around when Southwest Texas became Texas State, but I always knew the University as a school that promoted freedom of speech. I am trying to keep in mind that Texas is a conservative state and the Vietnam War era was a controversial time, but the consequences the Dean enforced seem so unnecessary. The student's were peacefully protesting, not causing harm or disruption and to be expelled without any credit given is outrageous. It is interesting to see how things have changed from now to the 1960's when this incident took place. I am pretty sure my grandfather attended the University during this time so I am intrigued to see if he remembers anything about the protest and what happened. When it comes to me ever joining in a protest, I am not sure if I ever would. I am not one to ever push boundaries, but if it was something I cared about was being taken away from me, I can't say that I wouldn't try to make a change.
Kristen T. MC 4301 TTh 3:30 p.m.
I found it very surprising that the Southwest Texas Ten got completely suspended by the university. I agree with Bill Cunningham, Southwest Texas Alumni, that Southwest Texas did infringe on the student's First Amendment rights of the constitution. They were peacefully protesting and not causing any disturbance to classes of the university, therefore they should have been allowed to perform their freedom of speech. I was also in awe that the administrators got away with not allowing David Bayless, one of the SW Texas Ten, across the stage to receive his diploma, due to a "computer error." Being that Texas is on the fifth circuit of appeals, I believe that nowadays the administrators would not have had the power to suspend the ten students.
I feel like if this didn't start a fire in your belly as a Mass Comm student, then you may be crazy. I think it's funny because, we don't know if we'd have the courage to truly stand up and stay like the San Marcos ten did if we were fighting for what we believed in. I like to think that I have enough integrity that if I felt strongly enough I would fight for my beliefs, consequences be damned. It's a little frustrating that because they were afraid of the possibility of students being too raucous they felt compelled to shut everything down.
My brother used to work with an organization called Direct Action Weston in South Florida, and they would often protest on street corners and outside offices. If freedom of speech were ever threatened they wouldn't have been made able to stand up for what they believe in. Without something so fundamentally important as freedom of speech, the point of existing in this country would be devastating. We wouldn't be what we are.
While I do find it wild that ten students were expelled for peaceful protests, I'm not surprised. Texas is a pretty conservative state and always has been so it wasn't necessarliy shocking. I did think it was crazy that they were expelled, which seems like an extreme punishment but I am proud of them for fighting for what they believed in.
Protesting can be hard, especially in situations of charged emotion and like after the 9/11 or the death of a citizen so I have a lot of respect for people who get out and make their voices heard.
Tabitha E T TH
I find it funny how the world works because I just met an older woman that attended Texas State during this time. She was sharing with me how things were so different when she attended here. With that being said, it does not shock me that Texas State took drastic measure, by suspending the students. They were peacefully protesting and did not disrupt the university's classes. They should have been allowed to protest their freedom of speech.
Anna-Maria S, Online
Wow! I think the most astonishing part to me is that the students' GPAs were reduced to zero and that they did not receive any credits from the school. It's one thing to expel students, because they can then go on to another school and graduate there. It's a whole different level of intensity to also remove all proof of their education. I can't imagine the sacrifice required to stand up for what you believe in if it also meant losing all proof of the hard work you'd put in.
I do believe, though, that there are some causes I would protest for/against (though the idea of losing all my hard work is truly baffling to me). I think that any protest I would be a part of would include gun rights or anything regarding my Catholic set of beliefs. Yet, I find it harder and harder to become engaged in lobbying or protesting (both of which I've done before) due to my lack of time. I can't risk losing my job to partake in a protest; ensuring that I have food on my table is more of a priority now. Perhaps, once I'm done with school and no longer hold a sales position that requires me to work weekends, I'd have more time to participate in protests and lobbying.
DaniellaN 12:30 class
I was at the same time surprised and not when I heard these reports. Times have not always been as progressive as now (even now we have work to do), so it's understandable that there was retribution. However, when I heard the punishment by the administration, I was surprised that the students essentially just had to take the punishment. That is definitely unacceptable, because this institution that is supposed to facilitate learning let a peaceful protest disrupt these students' learning. It would not take much for me to protest, just a cause I strongly believe in. There are many social, political, environmental and educational causes I believe in, so I'm surprised I haven't protested yet.
Jazmin P., Honors Class...
I definitely think the students First Amendment rights were violated and disagree with the punishment they were given. Watching that video and listening to the NPR broadcast made me highly upset for the students and it also made me think about how special our first amendment rights are. It makes me grateful for the progress we have made since then, but also makes me fearful of how easily they can be taken away. However, when it comes to protesting I am not sure I ever would. I don't know if petitioning counts as a form of protesting, but I am more of a petitioner than a protester. I just feel there are different ways to achieve the same goal and I am more of a follow the proper protocols/channels kind of girl. Unfortunately, I'm not one to push boundaries.
I find it bold that some of the young men protesting that war could have been immediately drafted if they were suspended due to disrupting the flow of education. It also makes me appreciative of the increase in freedom of expression protections. Even if the university disagrees with the message a student is expressing, so long as a student expresses that message in a civil manner, we are allowed to exercise that right. It's also a little baffling that only 10 of the students remained protesting.
Evan B T/Th 12:30
This story is not shocking to me at all, given the time of the incident. Anti-war movements, regarding the Vietnam war, were very suppressed in America. A public school which is federally funded must appease the people giving them money. I am sure the Dean had some pressure to end these kinds of protests quickly. However the idea that first amendment rights being infringed upon always makes me a little sick.
Much of the protesting I see in America are on issues that have no direct effect on my life. Issues that may make me do something like the San Marcos 10 did, would have to be things that negatively impact my way of life. Other than that it I could not see myself doing protesting because it seems hard to measure the effectiveness of protesting.
I think that the students should’ve been protected by the first amendment under freedom of assembly. They were sitting quietly and peacefully protesting and exercising their rights. They weren’t disrupting the classes around them or being unruly. It was the reactions to the protest that were being disruptive and if anything, the disruptive students should’ve been the ones suspended. The fact that the students who stayed and protested got kicked out, suspended and denied reinstatement, in my opinion, was overzealous. I’ve never participated in a protest and haven’t been motivated to partake in any. Although I recognize many other issues I’d consider way more important, I could see myself joining a protest on the ridiculous lack of parking spaces, fines and overpriced parking permits here on campus.
Josh Jarman Online
Times have really changed in the media world. Information flow has increased dramatically. There are many protests that go on in the quad year round! It is crazy to think students were expelled for protesting the Vietnam war when so many occur in the quad in our generation. I think nowadays it might be to easy to protest a certain rule or law and people want attention causing a scene. I feel like half the protesters are doing it because they care and the other half just want to be a part of something.
Alexis Gonzales TTH 12:30
I think that it is so crazy how much time has changed. How during that time protesting it was considered to be interrupting the flow of education, yet now it is something that seems to going on almost everyday by the Stallions. It's interesting to reflect about how strongly against the Vietnam War they we're that they were willing to be suspended from school. Where as nowadays I wonder if people protesting in the quad would feel the same, if they would be willing to be suspended for protesting against President Trump, abortion, religion etc.
It was definitely a different time, where people were being arrested left and right due to protests going on, which was wrong in my opinion. Even though the people in the quad can be very annoying at times I am glad that times have changed and we can protest freely for what we believe. As far as it goes it would take a lot for me to get out there and protest. I love to argue with people but standing around shouting my ideas and holding up signs when there is not an immediate result is frustrating for me, I'm more of a take action kind of person. However have nothing against those who protest, and more power to them for feeling so strongly about something!!
Manal Hage (ONLINE)
The San Marcos 10 are of the most honorable kind of students. They are the ones who refused to back down during a time of political discourse. A time where their voices needed to be heard. Not just by their generation but as an important milestone and memory for future generations.
Using your constitutional rights of the freedom to speak, worship, love and all else is a gift many people across the world don’t have. As Americans WE CAN speak up for what we believe, for what we feel is right or wrong without being afraid of the repercussions of our government. It wasn’t always that way, but the actions of those such as the San Marcos 10, helped pave the way for our unequivocal freedom of expression today.
I for one, as many of you already know from our introductions, am an avid protestor. I believe I should speak my mind for what is right even though many choose not to do so. I probably get that from my mother, who carried me in her womb protesting during the first Intifada, or the first Palestinian uprising. My days of protesting began before I was even born and for that spirit I thank my mother.
I protest about once a week for various causes. Whether they be marches at the capital, movie screenings that I organize, political runs, camping outside of senators offices holding signs, to leaving political stickers or flyers across the city. That’s not even the start of it. I mainly focus on environmental, civil, political and humanitarian causes; although not limited to just those. I speak and protest wherever the wind takes me.
I have been arrested multiple times during protests. Most recently during a peaceful action in North Dakota while at the Standing Rock Sioux Reservation protesting against the Dakota Access Pipeline, where I camped for months. At the beginning of January I opened 2 new peaceful resistance camps in West Texas, to protest the Trans Pecos Pipeline that will run through Balmorhea State Park and Big Bend National Park. Those camps are still alive and thriving and growing in numbers each day. I just attended and spoke at a rally that I organized with friends at the State Capital this past weekend against Trumps travel ban. It was centered on uniting the Mexican and Muslim communities in Austin of course because Trumps travel ban affects them the most. We had an estimated 8,000 attendees. I of course attended the incredibly powerful Women’s March, of 30,000 people, last month. In 2014, I organized a rally with another group of friends on the genocide in Palestine and Israel’s use of chemical warfare against civilians, which turned out an estimated 11,000 people from across the state of Texas. I could continue on with all of the protests I have been a part of and organized but the point is, use your voice and use it as ardently as you can.
Margaret Mead said don’t ever think that a small group of passionate people can’t change the world, for they are the only ones who ever have.
I implore all of you to exercise your 1st amendment rights and let people know what the hell you think of a certain issue. Whatever issue that may be, make your voice heard. Cause believe me, it will be heard.
If there is one thing so powerful in this world, it’s my voice. And I will damn sure, fearlessly, use it.
Irma L., TR 12:30p.m.
I am appalled by the actions by administration, I understand that the Stallions are designated public spaces so the students are able to share their opinions. Since the students did not listen when administration requested them to stop, I understand why they would be reprimanded. The fact that their GPA dropped to zero was, in my opinion, cruel and unusual punishment.
I know there are many issues I would love to stand with others and protest but I wish to work in politics one day. I wouldn't want anything to be swayed of misconstrued to ruin my chances of bettering our country, from within the government. If I were to break my silence, it would be for education.
Julia W., TH 12:30
I can't believe students were expelled for protesting, meanwhile, there are protests almost once a week here on campus. I truly believe that many people who participate in protests feel very strongly towards the issue. Of course there's going to be a couple that are also just going with the flow and following a trend. I always defend my right to free speech and will use my voice as much as I can.
Karen Arredondo T/Th 3:30
I just feel so blessed for living in the time that I am now. We are so fortunate to be able to have more freedom now. I love how we do not settle we want more and more, and there are people fighting for it. I am not much of a protestor because I am afraid of the protest getting out of hand and becoming violent, I am a huge scary cat for that. However I am so proud of those people to speak their hearts and strive for what they believe in. It did not surprise me how upright their reaction was to the protest however I was surprised by the consequences that the students grade point average were lowered, c'mon. Overall It still crazy how I am at the same location were those students were protesting and practicing freedom of speech for something their truly believed in.
Jacob F. TTh 12:30
The fact that the students were expelled for protesting was ridiculous in my opinion. I understand that the students were not protected under the first amendment right due to the obstruction of the education process, but I feel like that is unfair. Schools can simply choose what they deem an obstruction of the education process and get away with expelling students for expressing their freedom of speech. I just think it was wrong for the Texas State to disscredit everything the students had worked for at school, simply because they expressed their freedom of speech. I also acknowledge the issue of the student's speeches causing people to get out of control, but I also strongly believe that people have the right as a human-being to free speech. I personally would only take part in a protest if I felt it would actually make an impact, and if it was worth my time. If I'm going to be expelled from school and disscredited for all my work -- then no, I'm not going to protest. However, if I feel like a protest could make an impact and there is nothing for me to lose -- then yes, I would definitely participate.
Andrew M. TTH 12:30
Being able to get a glimpse at how times were different during that era compared to now was very interesting. The fact that those students did a peaceful protest and were given that punishment was very surprising. To give the protesters a punishment along those measures just doesn't seem fair. I understood that things were different back then but I didn't think it was so strict. Those students really sacrificed a lot to stand up for what they believed in. The reason it is so interesting is because nowadays this situation wouldn't happen. Laws and rights are constantly evolving alongside society and will continue doing so.
As of right now there isn't any issue that I am passionate enough to protest for. Maybe if I were in a different part of the region or world and there was an issue that impacted me drastically then maybe would I consider protesting. Otherwise, I see myself pretty much complacent.
Reagan Y. TH 12:30
I’m amazed at how history really repeats itself. I love seeing individuals express themselves and stand up for what they believe in, even if I don’t always agree with some of the issues. Texas State has grown to be so diverse, and it’s great that we have a platform where we can express our First Amendment rights. The fact that the San Marcos 10 were suspended and their GPA's were dropped surprised me, they shouldn't have been punished at all. I know today, things would've played out differently. Walking through the quad you’re sure to cross paths of someone expressing their opinions and what they believe in and I think that’s cool because that gives us a chance to learn about someone and something different and learn to agree to disagree. To grow we must understand where people come from to move forward as a country. Opinions do matter, they help shape the world.
I honestly am not the protesting type, but I do support movements that I feel strongly about, and what the San Marcos 10 did was brave, because back then punishment was unclear, and pretty much anything could’ve happened.
Samuel R - Online
I've never heard of the San Marcos 10 before and I found it interesting that a nonviolent act of protest was met with such drastic consequences. This is the type of stuff that would end up on every news station and social media platform nowadays, so the contrast shows how much the times have changed. Although the First Amendment has been in place for a long time, I believe the respect society has for it today has changed for the better. As communication becomes easier through the internet, more people realize how differing opinions and perspectives are a natural occurence in society and that people should have the right to protest, even if you do not agree with the cause. For me personally, I would have to really believe something enough to want to protest, and right now I can't say I have that cause. I respect the people who do because that is their right to exercise.
Holly Hearn - Honors Class
I really admire the San Marcos 10 for going through with the protest and exercising their right to free speech and expression. The video from the University Star says the students "ignored the warnings about the consequences" and went on with the protest. In the NPR audio clip one of the former students points out how vague the warnings were and they really didn't know what type of disciplinary action to expect. The vagueness of the threat gave the school a lot of freedom to punish students however they deemed fit. I'm extremely appreciative that Texas State is more supportive of students' political speech and it's comforting seeing so many other students in these comments with similar views.
Trevor L. TTR 12:30pm-1:50pm
I have never heard of the San Marcos 10 before, and after listening to these podcasts I have grown more appreciative of the free speech zones on campus. To have your hard work erased and GPA's set to zero because of your political beliefs by your university is disgraceful. The administration did not fully divulge the consequences that the students who do protest would endure. They made blankets statements about punishing students and did not give their own students their fundamental right to protest peacefully. To make matters worse, they fired the editor who tried to run a very thoughtful and respectful article about the situation. This is a clear violation of the students freedom of speech AND their freedom of the press.
I have taken part in some of the protests that have occurred at the free speech zone. I take part in these protests because I am motivated to help others whose rights are/may be violated. This injustice with the San Marcos 10 reminds me of some of the court cases we were viewing in class about burning the flag and ripping up the draft card. I am glad we have greater First Amendment protections in place to voice our opinions on a large scale.
Amanda F. TTH 12:30-1:50
It's crazy to think about how much Texas State's protesting policy has changed over the years. I think the actions Texas State took against the San Marcos Ten were too extreme. After all, they were simply exercising their First Amendment rights with a peaceful protest.
I have covered protests as a reporter in the quad. Such protests included those against Donald Trump before and after he was elected president. I would like to participate in protests like that but often times I am conflicted because I feel like participating in protests means I shouldn't cover them.
India D. TTH 12:30-1:50
I find it so interesting how much Texas State has changed in their policies about protest. I agree with some other comments that the decisions made about the war protesting were extreme. The protestors themselves were not disrupting education, however the crowd was disruptive. I have strong feelings about equality/equal rights and I feel like that is something I would protest for.
John H.
Honors
The benefit of hindsight, as Grant mentioned, does help with my initial sense of outrage. I'm grateful for my forebears, in this and many other cases, that fell on the proverbial sword for me. It's inspiring. The more I learn, the more I hope I rise to the occasion when facing a similar situation.
The post mentioned that the NPR interview happened right before 9/11. Protesting doesn't necessarily get easier. But with the advent of a surveillance state, we do get the chance to have that work in our favor. Ideally, it means that corruption becomes more difficult to hide.
I did go to the Women's March and documented the scene with my camera. I like photographs as a way of preserving such moments for posterity. There's a lot to be unhappy about, for all sides, but there are many ways to fight for your beliefs. I'm trying to take a multifaceted approach. Being a protester and a journalist is considered incompatible in many ways. I have to make sure to be versatile.
At first, I was immediately shocked at Texas State and what they did to the San Marcos ten. Not only did it violate their first constitutional right but it also goes against everything that our campus stands for these days. Peaceful protests and freedom of speech is one thing that many campus lack in reference to ours. However, again this was my initial reaction. After I pondered on it for a while, I came to realize that in order for a school to be this far ahead of other schools in this realm, they too had to start off in a negative way and grow from it.
Morgan R. TTH 12:30
Honestly, I did not find it difficult to believe that Texas State acted in that way towards the Texas State Ten. Texas State tries to seem that it leans towards the more progressive and forward moving ideals of society, but time and time again it had been proven, at least to me, that this university still leans toward more conservative ideologies. There are many reasons why I would be led to participate in protests. I have participated in protests on this very campus mostly for social and sometimes political reasons. I am grateful that out First Amendment right is restored to each of us as students, but I would be less than surprised if on occasion those rights were challenged.
Kelly Williams
TH 12:30
I think it is so crazy that students were expelled for protesting the war while in this day and age it is a rarity to go a day in the quad without seeing at least one protest. I had never heard about the San Marcos 10 before listening to these podcasts and believe that administrators were in the wrong here by making these students go through what they did just because they were speaking their mind. I am thankful for the free speech zones that exist on campus today and thankful that none of my peers will get expelled in the process of speaking their mind.
I don't think I would personally partake in a protest for fear of it get reckless and people becoming violent.
Valerie Sotelo
TTH 12:30
I really enjoyed learning about the San Marcos 10. Because of them we have a free speech zone, which allows us to stand our ground and express our opinions. I like how the student body participates and challenge each other. If it wasn't for this we wouldn't be able to see nor understand how others think. What does scare me about the protests is when things get violent. I'm thankful that nothing crazy has happened during the protests and I hope it remains that way. I agree with my classmate who said they wouldn't participate in the protest because not only am I scared it might get violent but I am not the type to do my research. I wouldn't want to start an argument to prove my point without having information to back up my facts.
Jose S 12:30 class
It was a travesty that those involved in the Vietnam protest would be suspended for non-violently expressing their opinion on a major issue in a place where ideas are supposed to be challenged and debated. I feel like they played their part in ensuring that we as students have a free speech zone to debate and discuss important topics without fear of the university punishing people. The threatening of free speech rights would definitely get me out protesting. We need different voices being heard, not an echo chamber where the popular thoughts win out.
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