Wednesday, February 14, 2018
Free speech at Texas State
Our campus also involved political protest in those tumultuous times. Ten students at Texas State University (then called Southwest Texas State University) took part in a protest against the Vietnam War on campus, but were suspended and expelled from the university.
Check out this brief video by The University Star: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ygdK1awjMA#t=15
Also, listen to this NPR report broadcast from Oct. 23, 2001, in which two of the San Marcos Ten were interviewed: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1131946
Consider that this interview was conducted less than two months after the terrorist attack on Sept. 11, 2001.
After you watch and listen to this reports, return here and add a comment with your reaction. Also, consider whether there are any causes -- political, environmental, social or otherwise -- that would motivate you to take part in a protest.
Please remember to include your first name, last name initial and class (TTh class, Honors class or Online class).
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91 comments:
Devon G. (12:30 class TTh)
The Vietnam War was the most unpopular war, as shown by the multiple protests and reactions against it. The draft lottery served as a looming cloud over families and individuals in a time where peace and individual rights were priority to many people. While the United States is currently involved in three civil wars and one drug war, it seems like most of the fighting and divisiveness is occurring within our own country. With the racism and prejudice not only happening with powers of authority but also on our own campus between peers, the overdue outing of the multiple sexual predators in Hollywood and issues with immigration and DACA recipients – it feels like our country is on edge and there is so much anxiety. All of these areas of interest are enough motivation for me to protest. I would fight for the equality of treatment and wages for minorities and women, I would fight with fellow women against sexual assault and domestic abuse and I would fight for the right of Dreamers and immigrants to continue living in this country. Nothing is so black and white to be completely against these social opportunities. I say “opportunities” instead of issues because these serve as moments for us to learn and grow as a country, but we are handling them so improperly and it’s causing a divide between friends, families, peers, etc.
I apologize for this brain dump.
Matthew M. (12:30 Class TTh)
I feel like to expel students based on their views and peaceful protest is a totally biased decision. Those students were allowed to do what they were doing. However, I can understand there being controversy on the campus because of it. The Vietnam War was very controversial for all American citizens. I'm confident that this wouldn't happen today if students were to protest any event (thankfully).
Alicia Singletary (12:30 class TTH)
Listening the video about the expelled students in my opinion went to far and they should of been able to finish school. The Vietnam war we don't know much about because no one wanted to talked about it and people were against it during that time. I feel like students should have the right to be able to express themselves on their views of different types of topics. Yes there would of been some disagreements but students need to be herd. This allows us to get closer to each other as a community but we are handling it in a wrong manner this way causing us to grow farther apart and build hatred toward each other. I would of stand up for what I be believed in to be herd like the students did that got expelled. In my opinion I think the school board is taking away our rights and have to much control over them.
Ron Silva United States Navy Veteran '91 (T -THR 12:30)
First, I agree with my fellow classmates who believe that these students had the right to protest the war in Vietnam. As we have discussed in class, students are protected under the First Amendment which allows them to exercise their freedom of speech. The 1960's were a turbulent time in America full of student protest and campus unrest. Also,it is known that many Americans opposed the United States involvement in the Vietnam War. Therefore, I can understand and support the students need to express themselves, even if the administration did not agree with what they were saying or how these students felt. Therefore, I do not believe the San Marcos 10 should have been suspended from Southwest Texas University for protesting the Vietnam War.
Abigail Miller- TTH class 1230-150
I believe that expelling the students in response to a protest is insane. Free speech is so important to our society, especially on a college campus where students are learning about the world and truly begin to understand the madness going on around them. The Vietnam war was troubling for many and many were effected by it whether they were serving or not. So the students had every right to protest and raise their voice about their beliefs. Whether they were supporting the war or in protest against it, its important for students to have a voice. Taking away their right to finish out their education is taking it a step too far in my opinion.
Maria Salgado- TTH 12:30-1:50
The punishment the university gave those students was unfair. Their protest is protected under the First Amendment, and it was cruel for the university to have them suffer consequences for expressing their opinion. This reminds me of the discussion we had in class this past week on biased decisions on freedom of speech. If those students were for the Vietnam war, they wouldn't have been expelled. It was wrong of the university to have abused their power by suspending the students for protesting the war.
Alyssa Pierce / TTH Class 11-12:20
I don't think it was right to expel the people that were protesting the Vietnam War at Texas State because it was a peaceful protest and although there was the possibility of violence being started because of it, that shouldn't be something they are punished for because they were exercising their first amendment right to protest. I have never actually taken part in a protest of any kind but if it was something I felt very strongly about and had the time to go, I would participate and I think it is much easier today to be apart of protests because there is more freedom found in the first amendment that allows people to voice their opinions and not face consequences as bad as they were in the 1970's for example.
Alexandra Connealy/ Online Class
First off, good for the students for standing up for what they believe in! Regardless on how you stand on an issue, I applaud people for actually doing something about an issue, instead of complaining about it. I do not believe Texas State was in the right of expelling the students. I understand that it was a distraction, but it was a peaceful protest. The students still had a right to graduate.
Halee Brewer (TTh)
I don't think Texas State should have expelled the students that decided to protest. If the area is for free speech and expressing ideas then that includes ideas that not everyone agrees with. They could have been screaming, yelling, and causing problems, but they decided to just sit and protest.I understand that they thought it would result in a disruption, but today many things have been said that "could" result in a disruption. Knowing the facts about them being expelled, I would have to say I wouldn't participate in the protest. However, I applaud the student for not being afraid to peacefully protest.
Madison Linehan said
TR12:30-1:50
I was surprised after watching the video concerning the ten students that were expelled from Southwest Texas State University in 1969 for silently and peaceably protesting the Vietnam war. The 1960's were a violent time domestically in the history of America. There were protests during the 1960's on other American college campuses that did result in violence and people being injured. I am sure the campus felt they had the best interest of the student body in mind by trying to maintain order by enforcing this policy. I think though that it violated the students First Amendment rights. I don't think it is always law and order but sometimes law or order.
I want to say that I would not protest this war. Regardless of how I feel about the war, there were men and women in the Armed Forces who were laying their lives down every day for our freedom. I am not always proud of every action or every part of the history of America's growth, but I would never disrespect the men and women of the Armed Forces who risk their lives by fighting for our freedom.
Jayci H.
T/Th 12:30
I am grateful that we are allowed to protest today and express our opinions without having to worry about expulsion. It is unfair that the San Marcos 10 were expelled because they had the right to peacefully do so according to the First Amendment. If I were in their shoes almost 50 years ago, I would be scared and upset that my friends were getting drafted and endangering their lives as well as the lives of others. It's not so much about the war but about the people involved and the turmoil it has caused nations. If I saw any injustice or unfairness amongst anyone due to hate, that would motivate me to protest.
Katie Burrell TTh class
After listening the the NPR interview, watching The Star's video and actually having met Bill Cunningham I am happy to know that free speech is relatively "freer" now than it was in the past. During SWT's issues with the Vietnam War, students more than lost their right to speak, they has their GPA's from the previous semester wiped and they had to move to other schools. This type of reaction from the school showed that maybe at the time it did not value the first amendment at all, nor its students. I'm glad times have since changed. However, FIRE, an organization dedicated to defending free speech and due process named TXST as one of the 10 worst colleges for free speech in 2017. Students are not being detained, arrested or expelled, but the threshold for violations for free speech is smaller and seems to continue to shrink, allowing for less tolerance of censorship.
I don't like the idea of me protesting as a journalist with the priority to remain objective. however, I am still a person with goals an opinions. Should someone or something stand in the way of free speech or women's rights, I can see myself protesting relentlessly regardless of fear of expolshion.
Alexis L. TTH
I agree with the people who have stated these students had the right to protest the war in Vietnam because they are protected under the First Amendment. It isn’t a secret that many Americans were against the United States involvement in the Vietnam War, so it surprises me that these students were punished the way that they were. I do not agree with the suspension of these students for protesting. Not only did the school officials who decided to suspend and expel these students take away their right to freedom of speech, they also took away their right to education.
Sataurus Jackson TTH
Listening to what happened to the San Marcos 10 today is so weird because everyone that currently attends Texas State knows that the fighting stallions is known as the "freedom of speech area." It is because of the actions and dedication that the protestors showed during the Vietnman war that the fighting stallions became the freedom of speech area so that future bobcats who wanted their voices and opinions to be heard could do so with our any repercussions. The fact that the San Marcos ten were expelled was horrible. But the fact that their college credits were dropped to a 0.0 is just unbelievable. Dropping their college credits to a 0 basically ruined their entire future> Cause they were already expelled from TXST and there was basically no way for them to transfer because they had zero college credits. I could not even imagine what would happen if the rules were still the same and people who voiced their opinions at the stallions would be expelled; it just goes to show you how times have changed.
I completely understand where the protestors are coming from because I would be afraid to be drafted or have some of my friends drafted especially if it was a war I did not agree with.
Payton S.
TTH Class
For the University to expel these students and erase all of their hard work, solely because of a peaceful protest, is ridiculous. If this were to happen today, which in no way would it, the students would have never taken explosion for an answer. Standing up and protesting what you believe in is our right. If i felt strongly enough about something and wanted to make a change, I should have ever right to and not fear getting expelled or harmed. The Vietnam war was one of the most disagreed upon war. These students feared being drafted. It's crazy to think that this wasn't that long ago. We have come a long way and still have a long way to go.
Britta E. TTH
It seems as though everybody has already stated my exact thoughts on the issue at hand but I will further add some insight. The First Amendment gives us a right to peacefully protest and for these students to have been treated as they were for exercising their rights is weird to hear about in this day and age when instances like that are widely accepted. Heck, we even have a "reserved" space on campus (The Stallions by Derrick) for people to express their opinions and thoughts without facing repercussions. Expelling students today for the same thing would NOT fly with the current way things are. I can't even imagine having to worry daily about possibly being drafted into a war in Afghanistan or Iraq or any of the recent places and would certainly protest against that! Thankful for the progress we have made as a society.
Milena A.
TTh
I agree with the majority, that the San Marcos 10 were merely exercising their right to free speech.
Like Bill Cunningham said, It's really the staff and administration that was violating those student's rights. To take away their education for demonstrating their views in a "free speech area", at their school is overly dramatic.
I have participated in protests, and plan to participate in more. I consider social and political causes to be the main reasons to get up and demonstrate. One of the most memorable moments in my life so far, is when I flew to D.C with my mother for the Women's March on Washington last year.
This video reminds me of all the freedom of speech issues that we still deal with today. Texas State University was named one of the worst colleges when it comes to free speech in 2018; we can be better than that. This was determined by a non-profit that recognizes inequality in free speech between different organizations on campuses all over the nation. One well-known example, The University of California, Berkely, turned away a scheduled conservative guest speaker due to backlash from the students and other organizations on campus. Freedom of speech is to be enjoyed by all regardless of sentiments held by the speaker. A recent article from the University star caused widespread anger over the article and the writer was fired. Under the first amendment, the paper had every right to publish the article, although it was quickly condemned by President Trauth as racist. On the other hand, student body president Connor Clegg publishes a slew of racially insensitive posts, gives a halfway apology and is cleared of wrongdoing by Texas State University leadership with one dismissive email.
Grace L. TTh class
I think is so unfair and wrong that these 10 students were expelled and denied their education and graduation because of a peaceful protest. The First Amendment states they had the right to peacefully do this. This occurred after one of the most tragic events our country had experienced. I would have most definitely taken part in a protest, especially this one. Today, we are peaceful protesting all over the country. I am happy our university holds peaceful protests about important and relevant things and that I can take part in these and have a voice. I have participated in a peaceful protest on campus and having a voice for a cause that matters to me.
After listening to the interview and watching The University Star's video, I was in utter shock. I don't agree with the fact that the student's were denied their rights. The students were standing up for what they believe in and their is no reason for the University to have suspended them. I am weary of the fact that we are always encouraged to be the voice of the new generations, but when we have the opportunity to do so among our peers and we are shut down completely, how are we supposed to exercise our rights as a student body?
If we come together on campus to promote religious groups, Greek groups, and ask our peers to participate in a variety of organizations and events, why can't we protest about war and our views on any matter that may arise?
This incident was very perplexing to me and I found it interesting to learn what the after math was on our campus since that protest.
TTH 12:30 CLASS
After listening to the interview and watching The University Star's video, I was in utter shock. I don't agree with the fact that the student's were denied their rights. The students were standing up for what they believe in and their is no reason for the University to have suspended them. I am weary of the fact that we are always encouraged to be the voice of the new generations, but when we have the opportunity to do so among our peers and we are shut down completely, how are we supposed to exercise our rights as a student body?
If we come together on campus to promote religious groups, Greek groups, and ask our peers to participate in a variety of organizations and events, why can't we protest about war and our views on any matter that may arise?
This incident was very perplexing to me and I found it interesting to learn what the after math was on our campus since that protest.
When listening to the interview, I was surprised when the two former students mentioned that he reason they were suspended wasn't because of any kind of disruption they themselves were making, but because of the craziness that they "caused" around them. I don't think that's fair. They weren't provoking any kind of action. They may have been supporting something that others may have not believed in, but it's not their fault for how the other students chose to react. They were peacefully gathered on campus with signs. They were not violent in any way. Therefore, I don't think it's fair that they were suspended. When the male former student mentioned that when he graduated, the university said that his name not being on the list was a computer mistake, and they wouldn't let him walk the stage, has lead me to believe that that's not true. I think the school cared about its reputation too much and didn't want to cause any more issues to let him get his diploma. Today, we've seen similar demonstrations on campus, but not one where students were suspended for it. I wasn't around during the Vietnam War when these protests occurred, so I can't compare how protests are now to how they were back then. In general, I don't see the point of protests. After President Trump was elected into office, the quad on campus was insane. Hundreds of students were gathered with signs in protest. All I could think, however, was "are you expecting these actions to change anything? Do you think that this is going to get him out of office?" I do believe that some form of protests can effect change, but not all of them. Some things are biggere than a hand-made sign and shouting chants.
Reily C. (12:30 TTh)
I'm just shocked by the lack of respect for basic liberties that this school allowed to happen back in 1969. It was shown that these students didn't cause any harm or disruption through their own actions but were punished for the reactions of others. I understand why it happened though. It just so happened to be the alma mater of newly retired President Lyndon Johnson so one can imagine the slander that could come needlessly against him. Of course the administration didn't want to face backlash in the newspapers and media outlets for allowing kids to protest the war, no matter how unpopular it had already become. I just don't see the justice in telling these peaceful protesters that you shouldn't have a voice on this issue because you just don't understand. As for modern times at Texas State, I can't ignore the unrest and tension on our campus. I can't deny that there are a lot of angry or passionate people trying to make change for the better and make this university feel more welcoming. But, at times they forget that a cool head and iron clad focus can go a long way, along with the realization that these changes don't happen overnight. It will take a long time for them to see substantial change with this, at times, radical approach. I'm happy that these students are using their voices, but when it pertains to things like Student Body Elections, be sure to go out and vote. Only around 4,000 students voted last year out of 40,000....that's unacceptable.
Sandra R.
TTh 12:30
After listening to the audio interviews and video, I couldn't quit thinking about how differently things would have been handled today, with not only the San Marcos Ten, but the protest as a whole. Considering in 1969, the amount of students attending Texas State University was not even remotely close to the student population as of now. Controlling a crowd or stopping a protest by the faculty, was much more realistic then. With students not out numbering the faculty of the school by 1000% like today. Considering also, the educational system was much more conservative in the 60's, which did not leave much room for anyone to cause commotion against something that was as serious as war.
These students were denied their 1st amendment rights not only by the institution but by the court as well, who should of all people uphold the rights of the people. However, 50 years ago judges would rule on the side of the educational system before they would rule with an individual because of their belief that a university would not and could be on the wrong side of a situation regarding rules and regulations. In 2018, this would not have even made its way to a court of any kind. With the more understanding and liberal aspects of most universities today, this protest would have just been another protest at the sight of the infamous stallions.
Christopher Martinez (12:30 T TH)
I agree with the majority those 10 students were merely exercising their right to free speech and protect. the fact they they were suspended and even not allowed to graduate is ridiculous. I am proud that now things are better and students can protest without the threat of suspension. I think the freedom of free speech is very important. People should be able to express their options without the threat of suspension or expulsion. I am glad we have changed out views of letting people express their views weather its protesting their anger for the government or chaining themselves to statues for whatever the reason may be let us students express ourselves in whatever manner we seem right.
Zach Ienatsch, Honors
Punishment of protesters for exercising their First Amendment rights by an institution meant to facilitate the development of ideas and community engagement is counter-intuitive and shameful. The university had no cause to restrict the exercise of peaceful assembly.
Protests which do not inconvenience or make onlookers uncomfortable are not effective protests to begin with. If we only agree with protests remaining out of sight and out of mind, we don't really support protesting. The validity of said behavior cannot be dictated by institutions, such as a state university. They spring from the mandate of the masses, the voices of the unheard.
Lindsay I,
TTH 12:30
After listening to the interview and watching The University Star's video I am left sitting in shock and confusion. I don't agree with the 10 students being expelled and denied an education just because of a peaceful protest. They had the right to do so according to The First Amendment. I think SWTS should not have expelled these students and I am happy with how far we have come from this moment at Texas State and in history in general. I am glad we have the opportunity to have true free speech here at Texas State. I would for sure peacefully protest something that I believed in. I believe a lot of social issues and position of power problems that I would love to protest, I just simply do not have time.
Free speech is a crucial part of anyones rights especially students. if they cannot peacefully protest without hurting anyone then what can students do to protest. i understand that in times of war everyone gets wrapped up in the effort especailly since lbj graduated from texas state. However, this is disturbing and unreasonable to sepend students for a whole year for a peacerful protest. it's discusting
Makailah Taylor
T-Th 12:30-1:50
It is sad to listen to these voices and think about the betrayal they probably felt from the University and the dean during this time. These students did not deserve to be expelled just for exercising their first amendment rights and peacefully protesting the war. Now fast forward to 2018 and a random man, not even a student, can be chained to the stallions for more than a week exercising his free speech rights with no consequence at all. Last week, our university was voted top 10 worst free speech schools in America. I hope we can change our image of our university. I have never been one to participate in a protest, but i am passionate about particular subjects. I just don't like to create any conflict or disagreement in my life and i feel like a protest could spark those things.
Anna Sweeney
Honors
Expelling students for exercising their free speech rights is contradictory to the constitution and everything America stands for. Sadly, I am not at all surprised that this happened.
Personally, I am against the draft and think it is inhumane to force people to leave their families, halt their education and career plans, fight in a war they don't believe in or don't want to fight in, and risk being killed. Everything those protesters did is protected under the first amendment.The system failed those 10 students.
I would definitely take part (and have been a part of) protests as long as they are peaceful. I think nonviolent protests are more effective and even more powerful than ones that are not. I will protest anything I am passionate about, like government corruption, the foster care system, the draft, censorship, death row, animal abuse, racism, and much more. We should all use our voices, and we should all stand up for each other, especially for those who have been silenced. This is why I am going to law school.
Anna B. (TTH)
In general the draft is mind blowing to me keeping in mind the historical context and political climate of 1969 I am not surprised at all there was a peaceful protest at Southwest Texas State. The punishment of the San Marcos 10 was a violation of their First Amendment rights and is not how the university would respond to a peaceful protest today. I think many of us have experienced a shift in the overall campus atmosphere today since the 2016 election leading to many campus debates.
We are all lucky to be apart of academia were we can be exposed to a diverse dialogue of ideas and perspectives. I think the open learning environment that universities often provide is part of why students in 1969 and 2018 feel confidence in their right to protest. There are many social and environmental issues that I would participate in a protest for.
Jamie Culpepper, TTH 12:30
In my opinion, the students should not have been expelled. Under the first amendment, free speech and assembly is protected as long as they don't intend to incite violence. From my understanding after watching the video and listening to the interview, there was no violence. The students were protesting for peace and were against a war that many people shared the same values on. Since their protests seemed to be non-violent, I don't agree with the administration or the court ruling. It doesn't seem like they are violating the espionage act since their protest were more geared towards peace, not a danger to the nation. I do agree that protests like this could spark emotions or violence but that can be seen as subjective in this case, considering the fact that violence was not the issue and many more students wanted to protest the same values.
Peyton Planchard, TTH 12:30
I personally disagree with Southwest Texas for expelling these 10 students. They were protesting peacefully and weren't causing any harm or danger. The 1st Amendment should have protected them and I feel that the administration took it to the extreme. It's great that they stood their ground and stood up for what they believed in, even while knowing there might be consequences. I have never taken part in a protest before, but if I did it would surely be a peaceful one. Something along the lines of pro life, immigration, healthcare, or religion. In our world today, you never know what could happen at a protest, even a peaceful one. Which is why I choose not to partake in them. But I still stand behind all of my beliefs.
Elvira Reyes
(12:30TTH)
Considering the San Marcos 10 were involved in a peaceful protest the punishment they received was unjust. Considering they were only involved in a peaceful protest they were in no way violating the First Amendment. To be expelled and refused back onto campus after a year of the incident was uncalled for. However, lowering all 10 student's GPA to zero giving them no university credit was far beyond punishment. It goes to show how popular opinion prevails. The Vietnam War was very controversial and many did not speak up against war efforts.
Personally, if the protest is toward something that is directly affecting my personal everyday life I will attend. If it is an extreme event and justice was not being upheld then of course it is my right as a citizen and as a person in general to voice my opinion. Especially if that opinion might potentially change unjust actions in the nation.
Jacklyn Mann
12:30TTH
The Vietnam war was very long and costly, and there were more than half a million Americans over in Vietnam.That being said, at this time most Americans were strongly against the war. As a public University, Texas State should not have punished the protestors the way they did. Protesting peacefully to have N opinion heard is not something to be suspended for, or to have credits revoked.
It is a citizens right to have an opinion, and to let it be known in an appropriate way. I personally do agree that protest can escalate if not handled correctly, however if someone wants to say something then they should say it without punishment.
Reynosa, Lionel
12:30 TTH
I found that the action taken by the administration was harsh in the fact that the students were punished due to the possible disruption caused by those participating in the demonstration. This type of justification is illogical on the premise that you cannot arrest someone over the possibility that there will be a form of disruption or civil disobedience. However, the time period has to be taken into consideration because criticism of the Vietnam war had reached its highest point due to the recently exposed massacre in My Lai, Vietnam. Some would argue that the San Marcos ten got off easy considering that the National Guard would shoot and kill four students a few months later at Kent State University in Kent, Ohio, during a Vietnam war protest. That being said, I would always be opened to protest any type of corruption on any level.
Long N
12:30 TTH
I –– as a first generation asian-american, with my families roots, still tied heavily to Southern Vietnam (Saigon, never Ho Chi Minh), have always been opposed to the war. The war brought nothing but unnecessary destruction and an abundance of dead bodies, both from native Vietnamese and US soldiers. The main reason I disagree so strongly with any war, is war is self motivated. No matter how much rhetoric is used to explore the positive side to war. In the case of when the US intervened in the Vietnam War. There was no reason other than to show the world that the US was a force to be reckoned with. Of course this is my opinion, and I'm sure someone out there will oppose my views.
In terms of political causes, I've always been a proponent in Asian-Americans raising their voice and defending themselves when attacked, which is why I participated in the march on Clegg. I do not and will not understand how, not just a white man, but any man can demonize a whole group of people for the actions of a few. Picking to choose only the negative to focus on instead of the positive that Asian's have accomplished to help further global welfare.
There is an Army infantry regiment, The 442nd Regimental Combat Team, that comes to mind when addressing honor in Asian-Americans. This battalion was completely comprised of Japanese-Americans whose families were locked in internment camps during WWII, while they fought in the military. They were the most decorated battalion at the time for their heroism during the war and their motto was, "go for broke." It was either win the war and prove that not all Japanese-American people are bad, or die trying. These brave soldiers gave their lives to further America's agenda. People like Conor Clegg live in a bubble that do not understand the meaning of sacrifice and is privileged to live in a bubble. I will always protest any man or woman who tries to trivialize a group of people based on the actions of a few.
Darreane V. (TTh class)
When I initially began to watch the first video where it said 10 students were protesting at the stallions I thought "Okay, that's normal", but to hear that they were all expelled I could not believe that. Especially because it was a non-violent protest. The report said that Southwest Texas was a yellow light campus which meant that "the university has one or more policies that are uncertain and are possible abusing student's right." I find that to be ridiculous at a public university. My question is why have the constitution written and laid out for the U.S. to follow but then go back and say "oh yeah, you can make up your own rules and you can make up your own rules"? To me it would seem like that's breaking the law.
Now a days people stand at the statue screaming very irrelevant things and doing nothing while back then these students were really standing for something they believed in and I have nothing for respect for them and feel saddened and upset with the school for expelling them.
If I were there I would have joined in for many reasons including for standing for a good cause and our beliefs. But I mostly would've stayed because I would've thought I was protected under the first amendment. In the interview one lad who was part of the 10 said she didn't know what they meant by disciplinary actions and I feel as though thats the same position I would've been in and would've been very upset getting expelled. I think the students should've gone to Supreme Court with their case because it seems like everything that took place after the protest was unreasonable.
Veronica Conti- TTh 12:30 class
I am in awe that these 10 students were suspended over a silent protest. I recognize that during the Vietnam War time period there was a lot of controversy going on and many protest against the war took place and some suffered great consequences. I believe that if these protests took place today on campus there probably wouldn't be consequences and if there were, I know it wouldn't result in something as detrimental as suspension. 1969 was just that; a different time. I still disagree with the action taken by Southwestern State University suspending the students though. We as American citizens are entitled to free speech by the First Amendment. I have never taken part in a protest, but if it was something that I feel strongly about I would.
Shana W. Online Class
I am actually shocked that the San Marcos 10 students were expelled for their expressive protest. I absolutely don't think it was right for them to not be allowed to graduate after that incident. My first thoughts on this is that I wonder if the court ruling (that the chaos around the protest was disrupting the free flow of the educational process) would have been the same if it were 100 students instead of 10. I feel that because the protest was somewhat unpopular, the San Marcos 10 had unfair repercussions. A protest is all about standing up for what you believe in and building awareness to those around you. What better place is there than a university, where students are still learning about these very things? I commend the San Marcos 10 for that. My second thought is that I wonder if that court ruling would have been the same today. I feel like with everything currently going on in the world, people have been so expressive all around us and there seems to be a lot more freedom in doing so.
I don't think I have ever been a part of any protest in my life, but I do know that if I felt passionately enough about something, I would stand up for what I believe in and want to build awareness. Just like the male being interviewed - he previously served in the military and felt so passionately about the protest while the Vietnam War was in full effect and joined without hesitation.
Miranda Menchaca TTh 12:30
After listening to the interview from two of the San Marcos 10, I was shocked to hear that the university went as far as to expel these students and even prohibit one of them from walking the stage after earning his diploma. The manner in which the students protested was protected by the First Amendment, but I believe the judge that ruled in their case and the university used the excuse that these students could potentially cause a disruption to the learning environment on campus to carry out their expulsion.I support those who do chose to partake in protests because I believe that is what is so special about the First Amendment and it's protections, but I don't think I would ever partake in a protest because I see that often times they cause more disruption than positive action.
It is very wrong, but not surprising that these students were punished for exercising their First Amendment rights on a public campus that is funded by wealthy elite and alma mater whose views will always take precedence in deciding the fate of those opposed. I am not surprised because it is still happening today. Students needs/views are often silenced by administration because of fear of backlash from those offering significant funding to the university. Bill Cunningham served as managing editor of the campus newspaper during the time of the San Marcos 10, until a blistering op/ed he penned in support of the protesting students resulted in his firing. This is far too familiar to the situation which occurred on campus just a few months ago when the publishing of Rudy Martinez's opinions column covering oppressive racial structures resulted in his and his editor's firing.
I am a strong advocate for the power of protests. Protests have always existed as a commanding, compelling form of expression and action especially on a hyperlocal level. I have taken part in countless protests in my adulthood and have seen incredible results come from them- even if solely bringing together groups of like-minded individuals.
Joseph Maestas TTh 12:30
This case of the San Marcos 10 is very sad. It would seem that as long as you're a part of a university or school, that your opinion can only be free so long as the school deems it fit. Just because you are a student shouldn't mean that if you speak freely that you might be punished (and in this case very brutally). If someone believes in something and lives in America, under the constitution you should be protected no matter the circumstance. It is a shame how because these 10 (non-violent) protesters believed in something, they were denied their right to an education. These students spoke their mind and the university shunned them without any type of fair trial is outrageous. In a similar instance, there was the case of Rudy Martinez where he wrote some racially oppressive opinion pieces which turned a lot of students heads upside down. The school denied all ties with this opinion piece and fired the writer and his editors. Although his piece was aggressive towards white people, he had a right to do so. Free speech is free speech no matter if we agree with it or not. The university was wrong for punishing these students the way they did and hearing what those students had to go through to receive their bachelors post incident seems incredibly unfair.
I am a fan of the first amendment, and I believe that America is beautiful for that. Free speech and protest requires that you must open your mind to others opinions and that whether you believe in their ideas or not, you must respect them. In the case of SWT, they did not respect these students and their opinions. I am glad that we have progressed (even if its only a little) as a society because of cases like this. Our generation is lucky to have those who suffered to protest then, so we can have more rights today.
Kathryn Willis TTH 12:30
After watching the video, I do believe that the students had the right to protest the war in Vietnam since they are protected by the First Amendment. There was a lot of protest about the Vietnam War, and it seems a little off that the students were so harshly punished and criticized for expresses such a popular opnion. I believe the suspension of these students for protesting was unfair since it is their first amendment right to have freedom of speech.
In my opinion, the definition of "freedom of speech," is subjective. We saw it in the forum last week that some schools have laws and regulations that suppress the right. The students' rights are still limited today but it certainly has expanded since the Vietnam War.
Blake Lanter (T TH class)
It is my opinion that the first amendment is essential in today's society. It is shocking to me that in the case of the SWT 10 that they were suspended from the school. I understand that during this time their was a lot of controversy surrounding the Vietnam War but going to a public school you should be allowed to exercise free speech. I feel that the punishment given to the students was too harsh. There are protests on campus today at Texas State and none of the students are punished, shows how times have changed.
Albert Garza TTH 12:30-
I feel that it sucks that the San Marcos 10 were expelled, but the university has the right to allow or not allow protests to happen and to apply the consequences. However they stripped them of their earned credits, that’s shady and mad petty.
Universities are place of learning not only academically, but socially. It should be place that helps create empathy. Do I think their First Amendment rights were violated? No. But I do think their punishment was too harsh.
Luis Seijo
12:30 TTH
I was blown away that the university would go as far as expelling students and dropping their GPA to 0. Considering the different climate in the 70's, their should have been more outcry for the university to refrain from turning their backs on these students standing up for their beliefs.
Michael R. (12:30 TTH class)
Watching the school I attend, attack its students for peacefully taking a stand against something they disagree with is sickening. A University is a place of higher learning; a place thoughts and opinions are challenged and molded; this is not a place to learn how to obey. Anyone who can be forced to die for something they do not believe in should have the right to say so peacefully. Creating a dialect about political issues is the only way we can become comfortable enough to find resolutions for complex problems, instead of resorting to conflict or combativeness. Many issues exist that I would happily protest for but only a few that I would be willing to be incarcerated or suspended from school; if it meant ending the mass incarceration in this country or outlawing lobbying in America I would be ready to make the sacrifices necessary. Our founding fathers risked even more significant consequences when protesting England’s tyranny. REAL change in this country has only come from civil disobedience: The American Revolution (mainly the events leading up to it such as the Boston tea party), the abolishment of slavery, the civil rights movement and the Women’s suffrage movement all took people willing to sacrifice everything for their beliefs. If we aren’t willing to sacrifice change will not come, so yes I would be prepared to make sacrifices if the time and issue came.
Michael S Clarke (12:30 TTH class)
This video shows how issues have the first amendment transcend time. While I understand the pressure from the University administration to try to appease SWT alumni President Johnson, the fact that any disciplinary action was taken is very chilling. To think that students were expelled and reduced down to zero credit hours simply for expressing an unfavorable view is unacceptable. I think in looking back to the San Marcos ten to the way free speech is expressed on campus today it seems as if progress has been made. The Stallions are quite often utilized as a place for students and members of the San Marcos community to voice their opinions. I think it is important for Texas State students to realize the issues of free speech that occurred during the Vietnam War right in our own backyard. It shows how easily free speech can be taken away and why students must continue to fight to allow these principles to be expressed on campus today and in the future.
I feel its largely unfair to expel the students and strip them of the credits. I understand around this time social progress wasn't like it is now, but to do this to students peacefully protesting?? Our rights as american allots us to voice our opinions. This felt very bias and a favor to Johnson considering this would be embarrassing being his alma mater.
Zachary J Smith zjs22 TTH Class - This story made me want to throw up. Schools even today do so much dumb crap. Like if the school has that big of a problem with them you can just expel them but why add dropping their GPA to zero and removing all credit? Things are still bad at universities when it comes to thing like being transparent about whats going on with things they eledge the be bad behavior.
The weird part on the side of the protestors is why would you want to go back to this school after this? I guess maybe there were fewer options when it came to schools back then. To be honest, if something like this happened to me I would just drop out. I don't believe college is worth that much drama. I'm not really motivated to do anything in the form of a protest on the quad but maybe something related to sexual assault on campus would motivate me.
Chris H. - Online Class
Several members of my family serve in the military and I have a great respect for those who choose to serve. Having said that, the disciplinary action taken toward the protesters in 1969 on Southwest campus was a blatant violation of their first amendment rights. I don't believe this would happen today because the media backlash for silencing an anti-war protest would be a worse PR for the school than the protest itself. While I don't think there is anything wrong with protesting, I can't see myself participating in a protest on a school campus. I feel that conversations are a more effective way of changing peoples mind about controversial topics. Many times if a person disagrees with the message of a protest, they will double-down on their beliefs and chalk up the opposing sides views as "rhetoric". Many of todays problems have a gray area and if people are willing to have an open mind then we could reach more compromises on sensitive social issues; instead of having hoards of protestors and anti-protestors having a yelling match and furthering the divide on issues.
Alex Cavazos Online
I have to agree with my fellow students, no one should be expelled from school because of something they protested against. It is their First Amendment right to peacefully protest against a war that they and many other Americans didn't agree with. One would hope this won't happen again, having not just their voice taken away but their education as well.
I thought that it was extremely brave of those students to stay where they were. To be so secure in your own voice that you are willing to risk a major part of your life to back up you beliefs I think is nothing short of the bravest thing someone could do. You have to be strong to go against an administrative staff that has power like that. I don't know if I could publicly stand up and go against something like that. I am very strong willed, however, when it comes to my faith so if someone were to try to challenge me for that I would be the last man standing if I had to.
Hannah R, TR class 9:30
I thought it was particularly wild how one of the students interviewed mentioned that being kicked out of school was a "small thing," because to me, getting expelled and losing all of your credit hours is a very big thing. I've only been an observer of some of the protests going on around campus, so I've never had to seriously consider the consequences of standing up for something like the San Marcos 10 did, although there really should not have been any consequences to peacefully protesting like they did. I truly believe though that if something like this were to happen on campus today, people would not be expelled, which is a step in the right direction. I believe that even if the administration tried to expel anyone, a good amount of the student body would probably create enough backlash to prevent that. I don't know what would personally motivate me to take part in a protest; I don't love how society today tends to completely polarize complex issues and protests can't really solve those complex issues.
Isaac N, TTH Class 12:30
My first thought after listening to the NPR interview and watching the University Star is that the San Marcos 10 are some of the most genuine individuals to have attended the university. I can say the same for anyone who is willing to follow their cause until the end, so long as it is not violent. While their academic/professional careers were ruined, the idea and value instilled in their actions will transcend through time, a degree dies with you, ideas don't. As for my participation in protest, I've always been more of the observer archetype, but that may be because nothing to this point has compelled me to take to protesting. However, should some hypothetical important issue should present itself to me, I would not hesitate to take to the streets or to peacefully protest. Moreover, it would have to be very grand. Martial Law for example would have me in the street, whether it would be peaceful in this particular case I do not know.
Randalle S. TTH class 12:30
My father actually was in the army branch during the Vietnam War, he was an infantry soldier who attended Southwest Texas State after he go out of the military. I grew up listening to his stories about the army and his time in battle, if I was around then I would have protested to bring the soldiers home as well because his stories were extremely sad and there was a lot of deaths that could have been avoided. I asked him about the protest and he remembered seeing it.
I understand why they expelled the students because it would potentially be seen as a distraction however, knowing that that could have been my father makes me angry. They were silent and were protesting a war that was effecting all of the U.S. and not just the school. It was interesting to hear that many of the students that were expelled actually returned to college and graduated even after having to start over.
What motivated me to take part in protest is animal rights. I own two pit bulls and I am disgusted at the way dogs, pits specifically, are treated. My dogs are rescues and they are the absolute sweetest dogs I have ever met. But people take one look at my pit bulls and become afraid that they will attack them, which is not often the case.
Shelby Becker / TTH 12:30-1:50
I'm very impressed by those students perseverance throughout their demonstration. I think it's shocking that they got suspended, because they have a first amendment right to protest freely. I can understand why they stood their ground because at this time in the 1960s, the Vietnam war was a controversial war that many citizens opposed. I think students always feel the need to have their voice heard, whether it's in the 1960s or 2000s. Students are doing demonstrations like this still and it's very evident in our lives today. However, I do not see the repercussions being as severe as suspension happening today.
Lauren G TTH 12:30
These students did the right thing by protesting nonviolently, yet they were punished. Luckily I can't imagine this would happen today at Texas State. I imagine that this was a difficult decision for both parties. The students are making a ballsy move by protesting during a very controversial time, and the school feels they have to punish them even though they really haven't done any wrong.
Kayla Mook - Online Class
Watching the YouTube video that the University Star made and listening to NPR story of the 10 students at South West Texas, it was upsetting. I think it was unnecessary for them to be expelled. To have a peaceful protest on campus is not a good enough reason to be kicked out of a beautiful campus.
In the four years I have attended Texas State University, I have noticed many protests that happened. Some of which I agree on but there are others that I do not. The ones who I do not agree with I do not yell at nor get officials involved. Everyone is entitled to have the right of freedom of speech. Not agreeing with someone is fine. Especially when it is peaceful. One thing I do find concerning is the abortion posters that our campus protest has occasionally. I am embarrassed for our school when these protests happen during campus tours. To see these pictures is uncomfortable. To my understanding, a lot of campuses have these protests of abortion. It is part of the first amendment. However, I think posting rated R photos when teenagers do tour is something to be talked about changing.
Zac Smith (zes7) TTh
I think it was wrong for school administration to step in and expel the San Marcos 10. They were exercising their rights in a nonviolent manner and were not disrupting any classes or the day-to-day operations of the university.
At the same time I think that the University has to be careful about what speech they allow and what speech they restrict. If the policies are too lenient then it will be taken advantage of by groups that want to cast a more aggressive message. The Patriot Front fiasco of last semester comes to mind. If the university had policies that were too lenient toward free speech then we would see that kind of message a lot more often and that would be detrimental to the well being of the student body.
Garrett McGinley T TH 12:30
Listening to the NPR clip and watching the University Star video, I found this to be an upsetting chapter of Texas State's history. I was unaware this incident took place, but I find the demonstrators to be heroic and the administration to be cowardly. Protest is the most American thing I can think of. Nothing will change unless someone is willing to stand up and change it.
Rivers Wright TTh 12:30
I feel the university went about this the wrong way. It was a peaceful protest that did not necessarily inhibit the flow of education. In my opinion, the university has never really handled free speech issues very well. I've seen four cops when there are two people watching a much rowdier protester, but none when there are two hundred of them when they all stop to look at the abortion pictures. I think that had this taken place right after 9/11 it wouldn't have been as peaceful and the same actions would have been taken. The university needs to reevaluate their free speech policy especially since we are a yellow light university. Being allowed to freely speak and listen to those who do is how we learn and grow.
Cierra Dickerson TTh 12:30
I feel that expelling these students was excessive. If the university felt as though to end this protest then it could have been handled in another way. As an individual I do enjoy seeing protests (as long as peaceful) because I feel as if it expands my thinking. I have learned to form the best outlook on any situation is to be able to hear all sides, even if I don't agree with it. Along with that, expelling these students pulled away their first amendment rights. I feel the university used expulsion in a way of showing authority and this can create a sense of fear to speak up in what you believe.
Lalo Escovar TTH 12:30
I personally feel that the university clearly went too far. The Vietnam War was a very unpopular war with many Americans. My grandfather served in the Vietnam War, and he told me all of the stories of the political climate back then because of the war. The university was clearly violating those students rights. As discussed in class, one cannot censor a protest because of the content of a message and that is what the university did. The university ultimately censored the protest because it was against the war, but by doing so they violated the students right to peacefully protest.
Jacqueline, L (12:30 TTh class)
I find it really admirable that the ten didn’t hold a grudge for those who didn’t stay to make a statement, especially towards men that ran the risk of getting drafted. The students weren’t causing a disruption and yet action was done on the off chance that something could have, which that alone seems like an injustice on the students’ rights. Hearing from Bill Cunningham and his experience with the schools regulations made me cringe. I can’t imagine being told my editorial wouldn’t run when it was all truthful and deserved to be acknowledged to the students and staff.
Political and Social issues tend to draw me to participate in non-violent protesting the most, but all issues should be accepted to be spoken in a safe space freely.
Valeria Escalante TTH Class
The greatest protest that I can remember was a protest against the Trump administration after he won the presidency. Hundreds were at the stallions that day, yelling, raising their signs and engaging in conversation. So after watching the video in which ten students were expelled after protesting against the war, baffles me. If we had the dean of students tell us that we can be expelled if we don't stop protesting then I am sure that would of made us feel defensive towards our freedom of speech. I myself engaged in this protest and felt hopeful after protesting alongside people that believed in my rights as a Dreamer. So topics involving immigration are reasons to motivate me to speak out and protest for my rights.
Andres Echavarria TTH 12:30 (I'm using my girlfriend's google account)
After I heard what happened to those students I felt disappointed in our system. Although, I feel thankful to be able to live the freedom that we have today. It was supposed to be the same one years back but thanks to those students that lost their college hours, here we are able to protest and enjoy the freedom of speech area in our campus. I believe that those students shouldn't have lost their career, I think that was so wrong from the administration, but then again I comprehend that things were very different. I am surprised not one of the students took this more seriously. I would have expected, for example if Texas State University violates my freedom of speech, I would fight for my rights. I would fight all the way to the Supreme Court for my rights.
Delia Castillo TH (12:30)
In my opinion, I believe the students did the right thing. They peacefully protested for something they believed in, which they have the right to do so because it’s granted by the first amendment. The way that the university dealt with the situation was too harsh. The students said they didn’t really know what the consequences would be of a continued protest. Completely expelling them from the university, and deleting their college credit, was too much. One student even said it took her 20 years later to finish. I don’t think the same punishments would happen in this decade (unless it actually involved a great danger).
I have not participated in a protest at this university, but I would if it was something I truly believed in. Immigration is a hot topic right now and I stand with dreamers. This is something I will always fight for and express my opinions.
(Elisamaria Trujillo TH 12:30)
I personally think the students should have had the right to protest in a peaceful manner on campus. It would seem that the silent protest would not cause any disruption of classes or infringe on any students education. Although I believe this, the university could potentially argue that the protest cause a disturbance and therefore infringed on students ability to learn; what a university is design for. In cases such as Tinker v. Des Moines Independent School District, where students wore bands to protest the Vietnam War, students convictions were overturned because there was no evidence that the education process was disturbed. In listening to the MPR podcast, the narrator tells us that the protest was silent, but was very unpopular, and therefore perhaps caused a disturbance in the education process. Schools and Courts, places that are responsible for allowing the certain pursuits (ex education), are given authority to punish or remove behavior that inhibits these pursuits. I think that now this would not have been such a big issue at Texas State as we have a designated are of speech and are even encouraged to peacefully speak our minds. But we should be aware that we can be held accountable if our protest result in violence or disruption of education.
Morgan M. Honors
When listening to the interview something stood out to me, and that was the reasoning of the judge in ruling against the students. Although they were protesting peacefully, they were considered to be disturbing the peace from the people making the noise around the people who were protesting. I think it was a violation that they people were suspended considering they were voicing their opinion peacefully. It is important that people express their opinions peacefully and in a healthy dialogue and should not be punished for doing so. I would participate in a peaceful protest just as I have once before to bring light to important matters.
Kendall Jo Allen (Honors)
There are quite a few parallels between the Vietnam war and the Iraq war. The American people were split on support for the war and opposition to it in both instances. The story of the protestors is inspiring, but sad. Their educations were stripped from them unjustly. The harsh reaction to the protest was unsettling, but disruptions shape the United States political atmosphere. Without people willing to face these consequences, there would not be change.
I would participate in protests that tap into my core beliefs. Damage to the environment and education are the main issues that push me to protest.
I am shocked at the previous actions of our own Texas State. We pay ( too much) to go to school and we are all adults with rights to peacefully protest. What the administration did (kicked them out and lowered their GPA to a 0) sounds like something a high school principal would do, not the admin of a public university. I am very proud of the San Marcos 10 for standing up for what they believed in despite the punishment. I think what Texas State did to the man (not letting his walk across the stage) was a petty abuse of power.
Caitlin G. Honors Class
The vietnam war produced a a lack of instability and unrest in the United States. Many of the citizens at that time were in opposition and directed protests against it. It is not shocking to see that Texas State students then Southwest Texas State students would include themselves in such protests. Most college students at that time found an inbalance in their lifes and careers due to the war. What was shocking was the way that the administration acted to such actions. I believe that this county offers the first amendment to protect those that choose to express themselves and these actions are strictly a violation of the first amendment. I believe that to take a sudden deciosion like that administrations should of closely evalauetd the situation and compared it to the core values of the University. This was one of the difficult times of our University and I am very proud to attend a Univerisity of students that stand for what they believe in and now continue to fufill our duties of citizens.
M. Nereida Jaimes
HON 3396E 9Am
Andrik P. (12:30 class TTh)
Honestly, Southwest Texas State University's decision on the San Marcos Ten does not surprise me. The year was 1969, two years before the Pentagon Papers were leaked, and Texans were generally more conservative than now. There is no doubt that this decision was a decision made with conservative bias and I don't actually have a problem with that. Do I think the decision of expelling the students while also dropping their GPA to 0 is extreme? Yes, I do think that the university went a little overboard on their decision but at the same time, the university did warn them. Do I think this would happen today? I would really doubt it. If the university ruled this hard today, I would be surprised.
Lacy Hiett (12:30 TTh)
For a University who claims in their own core values that they "believe in the inherent worth of people and their contribution to the community," I think their actions spoke something far more different than this statement. Universities are a rare environment where people are challenged to form an opinion, provoke thought and gain knowledgeable perspectives on life. Texas State also claims on their website that they provide a student-centered environment and openness. Although it can be argued that the protest was disrupting the education process, and that the university had the right to shut down the demonstration, the loss of credit hours and dismissal from school is overkill, especially since the protest was silent. Regardless of how I personally feel about the war, it's a first amendment right to protest in a public setting, and the students' did not have this privilege.
Jose V (Honors class)
After watching and listening to the reports, I was not surprised that the San Marcos ten were suspended from Southwest Texas State. After reading cases such as Tinker v. Des Moines, it's no shock the same fate that befell the Tinkers happened to the San Marcos Ten. The one thing that shocked me, was the fact that the student's GPA were dropped to 0.0. In my opinion, neither actions were warranted. The students were within their constitutional rights to PEACEFULLY protest such an unpopular war that, frankly, the U.S. had no business being apart of. It's no wonder (Southwest) Texas State is among the Top Ten worst free speech universities in the nation. What's more angering is the fact that it was outside noise other students were creating that warranted the suspension of the San Marcos ten. However, had those students chosen to take the case to court, I fear they wouldn't have won due to the ruling established in Tinker v. Des Moines which stated, the suspension/expulsion of students who peacefully protest is unconstitutional unless it distracts from the learning environment. I am not one to speak my mind, but if I had to, I would be motivated to protest politically and environmentally.
Rosa Ambriz (12:30 TTH)
Like many, I am not surprised at the punishment taken by the administration. It is though, the extreme level taken by the administration that is appalling. I believe the individuals should have had the opportunity to go back and finish off their degree with zero penalties to their GPA. In terms of how free speech rights operates on campus.... we still have this similar shitty issues happen on campus today. I have been part of many campus protest for political, environmental, and social issues and will continue to exercise my right. If I were placed in that time, I would join the San Marcos Ten for political reason.
Sam Smith (12:30 TTH)
I was shocked that the administration took the action they did in suspending the students. Vietnam was a very polarizing time for the country as a whole and people on both sides felt very strongly about their positions. Also, with the history of peaceful protests on college campuses and their position as a place where students can learn new ideas and push themselves it seems like that should have been encouraged and not silenced. The students should have been allowed back with nothing done to their record or penalties and should have been issued a strong apology by the university. I have taken part in numerous protests and marches for things like immigration, bathroom bills and most recently the women's marches.
Triston Giesie (Honors)
I think it is obvious that Texas State, Southwest Texas State at the time, is in the wrong. Nothing can be said in their defense that isn't short of a spin or illogical twist.
However, I feel as though it is more important to investigate 'why' the university did something wrong than it is to simply point out 'what' they did. People, especially those in power, have an innate fear of losing out on what they hold. People lose power by being confronted, so the natural tendency for most is to silence a voice of opposition before it can be heard. The San Marcos 10 are patriots in their own rights, even though their first amendment rights were violated. Granted it was a different era with a different mentality, but the rule of the many is not inherently right. Those actions are necessary in a free-thinking country; conversation breeds debate, debate breeds resolution.
One thing that stood out to me was when one of the San Marcos Ten recalled that Dean Martin prohibited them from protesting not because they were disrupting the flow of education, but merely because there was a possibility that there could be a disruption. There are a lot of parallels between this and Tinker v. Des Moines, which both happened within the same year. In Tinker, the students were prohibited from protesting the Vietnam War by wearing armbands because there may be disruption in classes. Interestingly, the court case ruled in the students' favor, while this case obviously did not. This could've gone all the way to the Supreme Court! I think it's ridiculous that the school got away with this, especially regarding the harsh punishment these students faced.
With that being said, it's pretty cool that at the same site where students were denied their liberties 50 years ago is a place known for its free speech. Knowing that this happened makes me like the tradition even more- it's like every protester now is getting revenge for the injustice given to the San Marcos Ten. I'm glad that something like this would never happen today.
Nick Williams — Hon
It's interesting that we seem to be getting a lot of adamant response on one side of this issue — i.e. pretty much everybody is completely in support of the students and baffled at the thought that something like this could occur. I think a lot of this reaction stems from the fact that common understanding where we are today in 2018 (not to mention historical case precedent that has backed the idea up) gives much more weight to personal liberty and fuller extent of first amendment rights. One thing to keep in mind is that this case must be examined through the lens of 1969, taking into account the social and political states of the nation at that time. The war was certainly a very contentious issue and there were strong opinions on both sides. The war-protesting faction, if we can group all those protesters together, drew largely from student populations and existed in opposition to many norms; it was essentially made up of what some might see as “the rebels” in a way. When looking at the perspective of those in solidarity with the supposed ideals of the nation — those in line with the idea that the war effort was a necessary one — it is not impossible to see why the education official responded the way he did. The fact that there existed the amount of push back that there did to the war is an indication that people were beginning to have doubts about its legitimacy. Any sort of potential insurgence generally represents a threat to order, and those subscribing to top-down management doctrines would likely respond to any such unrest by swiftly extinguishing it. It is entirely possible that many in positions of power in different capacities around the nation felt it their duty to keep unrest at bay and deplete controversy around the war because they believed this the only way to keep order; they may have realized that the conflict was becoming increasingly problematic but believed it had to keep going and stay out of sight to an extent. In any event there were more than likely a large number of intertwining factors that contributed to the decisions that were made. Was the action taken on these students right? That is up to interpretation. The important part is that all perspectives are considered in order to illustrate the most complete image.
Jake F. (12:30 TTH)
The fact that the San Marcos 10 were expelled from Southwest Texas State University in 1969, for conducting a peaceful protest during the Vietnam War, is a prime example of how the Bill of Rights can be infringed upon by the government during war time. In this specific case, the students were exercising their first amendment right by holding a silent and peaceful protest surrounding the iconic stallions, which is a designated area for the students of the University to express their positions, by utilizing their first amendment right. Today, Texas State is considered a "yellow light campus" with regulations in place to refrain students from utilizing their constitutional right to its' full extent. This restriction must be lifted in order for the true word of the student body to be expressed.
Denise M (12:30 TTh)
I can believe that this happened at Texas State since similar things happen even now. It is still not okay and unfair though that they were expelled. Even the administration agreed that it wasn't their protesting that got them expelled but more all of the "hurrah" or attention that the protest got. Its not their fault at all like they can't control peoples reaction and their first amendment right should always be protected. I have been a part of political and social protests in the past and would definitely do it again.
I didn't know that South West Texas State students had been involved in any way with protest against the Vietnam war. It makes me happy to know that our school wasn't silent during this time. It is upsetting that Annie Burleson had to wait 20 years to go back to school but i applaud her for her bravery!
It would be easier to discuss what I won't protest. Issues I don't care enough about to protest would be guns rights and abortion. I might skip the PETA protest but only because they don't show up for humans and they use civil rights imagery unabashedly.
Jhazmine Billups,TTH-12:30
Keely Freund (Honors)
Okay wow, why is this story not common knowledge on campus?! The same stallions that we refer to as our "free speech area", was the same place 10 students were suspending for SILENTLY protesting? Very similar to the Tinker v. Des Moines case. These students were not disrupting classes, this was a silent peaceful protest outside of the classroom setting, and like Tinker v Des Moines, officials acknowledged that the students were not being disruptive but were believed to have eventually caused disruption and so they were shut down. It's sad to hear that not did the school officials do the students wrong, but the court systems also let them down by stating they were interrupting the flow of knowledge.
Standing up for what i believe in is a very important value of mine, its important to me. But so is my education. Ive worked so hard for my degree and i cant imagine the heart breat of those students who were supsended for, peacefully, standing up for what they believe in
Personally, I believe free speech is the most important right we as humans should have. Even though we have come a long way from the past events on campus, I believe our free speech is still in danger. When the students were easily suspended for expressing their ideas, at the time, this action was most likely a unanimous decision by people in power. The standard has changed today but that does not mean we do not still face a standard of censorship today that is not hurtful. For better or worse, all ideas and speech should be expressed in the appropriate platform for critique and response. I believe we live in an age where the battle of ideas is an uncomfortable and difficult process. This conflict of ideas is necessary for any kind of progress. What can be learned from the intention of those students years ago, can still apply today.
Christopher Villarreal TTH 12:30 c_v84@txstate.edu
David L M (TR Lecture)
I completely understand where the rest of the students are coming from when sharing their disbelieve on how Texas State handled the San Marcos 10 case. However, I do believe that this campus is supportive of not only student's rights but anyone's freedom of speech. There was a man who was not a member of this campus that chained himself to the fighting stallions and stayed there for around three weeks. During this time he never left his post by the statue. This man was not a student here and was not forced to leave campus. I feel like the idea that we are suppressed as students on this campus is rediculous. You can literally stand by the stallions and criticize others' beliefs, religious or political. That being said, I think what happened to the San Marcos 10 was not ok.
When it comes to me protesting, I feel that it is important to stand up for what you believe in. However, I feel like there are more impactful ways of informing the community on topics that most are already aware of than protesting at the Stallions. If i were wanting to protest against something like littering, I would not spend my time talking about the importance of it in the quad, I would be gathering other students to take action and help clean my community.
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