In light of political protests on the Texas State campus, across the state, nation and world in the past few
years, it’s interesting to note that this is nothing new in San Marcos.
Consider the situation with the San Marcos 10. These 10 students at Texas State
University (then called Southwest Texas State University) took part in a
protest against the Vietnam War on campus, but were suspended and expelled from
the university in 1969.
Read this University Star feature story about some of the members of the San Marcos 10 returning to Texas State on the 50th anniversary of the protest in 2019: https://www.universitystar.com/life_and_arts/features/san-marcos-10-revisit-texas-state-for-50-year-protest-anniversary/article_65545e12-7412-5846-902c-890314667756.html
Also, listen to this NPR report broadcast from Oct. 23, 2001, in which two
of the San Marcos Ten were interviewed: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1131946
Consider that this interview was conducted less than two months after the
terrorist attack on Sept. 11, 2001.
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Bailey R. online class. I personally believe that the protest the San Marcos 10 did was a courageous thing for them to do. They knew exactly what their consequences were going to be and they still stood up for what they believed was right. I admire that they were able to protest in a peaceful and respectful way. After reading each of their reasonings behind the protest, I respect each one of them and feel they made the best decision for themselves. I don't think they should have been expelled or had all the serious repercussions they did. I believe that even though they didn't agree with the Vietnam War, they were still patriotic citizens that love their country. We should remember them and look up to them for having the courage to do what they did. They're a reminder that students should be allowed to speak freely on their political views.
Rachel F. (Online Class) After reading the University Star article and listening to the NPR interview, I feel as though the San Marcos 10 were peacefully exercising their right to free speech. After reading each of the member's opinions in the Star, I fully support the reasoning of each of the members. They understood the possibility of repercussions from their actions, but they felt as though it had to be done. The San Marcos 10 had a peaceful demonstration of their beliefs on the Vietnam War. As some of. the members stated, watchers of the protests became violent towards the individuals but they tried to remain peaceful. I feel as though the University was right in stepping in to avoid the situation from escalating into something worse. However, I don't think the San Marcos 10 should have been suspended from the university due to their exercise of free speech. I'm shocked that their cases weren't picked up in any level of a court appeal. Due to Tinker v. Des Moines being earlier in 1969, I feel as though the San Marcos 10 should have had a ruling that was in their favor. The courage these individuals showed has resonated throughout campus even now, 50 years later. The Fighting Stallions statue is still a resemblance of free speech on campus and many individuals use the area to express their views and opinions.
Erika D., online class — I’m surprised that there were little courts willing to review the case of the San Marcos 10 despite their lawyers citing Tinker v. Des Moines. It would’ve been interesting to see the legal arguments posed as to whether their silent peaceful protest caused a substantial disruption to education on the campus, especially under the general principle that universities should be even more welcoming of free speech due to the special academic environment. I myself am conflicted on the issue of censorship on campus. To me, some speech can be truly immoral and damaging, though on the other hand the application of filters may either be too broad for the best interest of students or too meticulous to be realistically practiced. Nonetheless, I can sympathize with the San Marcos 10’s justifications for protesting regardless of the potential consequences. In highschool, I was assigned to read “The Things They Carried” by Tim O’Brien, which recounts various anecdotes of a soldier’s experience during and after the Vietnam War. Many of the horrors and traumas are described in detail so explicit that we were only assigned certain excerpts to read in class. One day I hope to read it in its completion as such experiences in my opinion are invaluable stories that contribute to the discourse surrounding war and American politics.
I was extremely impressed by the San Marcos 10 and their courage to exercise their freedom of speech against the administration at Southwest Texas University. Many people, like the other students at the university, would recoil after finding out that disciplinary actions would be taken if they did not cooperate with the school, but these 10 students did not. I think that the university had the right to know about the peaceful protests on campus, but expelling the students for the situation was wrong. I found it very interesting that David Bayless returned to Southwest Texas to finish school in 1972, but was not allowed to walk the stage at graduation due to a suspected computer error. These individuals had such an impact on the university that they were invited back for a 50 year protest anniversary reunion, and that is extremely inspirational. I really enjoyed reading about this event!
- Kaylee H. (Online Class MC4301.280)
Esmeralda Z- online class-
To begin I am extremely proud to be attending the same university that the San Marcos 10 attended. I believe that what these 10 students did was courageous and a beautiful form of standing up for what they believe in. These students were completely aware of the consequences of their actions and still want though the situation in order to show that it’s more important to stand up then stay quiet. I believe what the university did to the was wrong and shouldn’t have gone that way at all. I think this school is so open on free speech now and these students really helped us get to where we are today even though it’s not much we have come so far.
Amy McNaspy-Online Class
Wow! After reading the article and listening to the interview about the San Marcos 10, it just makes being a TXST Bobcat even that more proudful! The 10 students did a remarkable thing by taking a stand and showing their beliefs to the dean and to all others that were not for the protesting. It took courage to continue to stand and sit there after everyone else had left and even after being told that they would be suspended from the campus and not receive credit for the classes they had taken. I love the fact that they didn't even know each other before the protest took place and still stood together. I thought the statement that Murray Rosenwasser said "The important thing is to try and reach out to people who you disagree with–not hate people just because you disagree with them.” This is something that we should even keep in mind and practice with the current and future situations that we face in our country.
I had never heard of the San Marcos 10 before now, and I believe what they did is incredible! The courage it take to stand up for what you believe in regardless of consequences that may come to them is remarkable. I can't believe they did not allow David Bayless to walk the stage at graduation after he returned to Southwest Texas to finish school. These individuals and their impact on the university is really inspiring and it makes me even more proud to be considered a bobcat!
Michaela N. (Online class)
This is a impressive and interesting case that I have never heard about until now. Its crazy to find out things like this when you're in the same town and attending the same school as something big like the the San Marcos 10. This is a very great reminder to always stand up for what you believe in, be bold and don't hold back. I am proud to be a Bobcat, but even more now that I am aware of this!
Teal W. (Online MC4301.280)
I had never heard of the San Marcos 10 before this. I find myself having a lot of respect for each of them for standing up for what they believe despite knowing the possible consequences. In my opinion, they set a good example for others and others should strive to have the same courage that they did. I am also surprised to see that there were such few courts willing to review their case considering Tinker v. Des Moines. In conclusion, these individuals tried to stand up for their beliefs in a peaceful manner despite the consequences, and I respect that.
This story was so interesting, I'm happy I was able to learn about the San Marcos 10! I think what they did was very courageous and I'm glad some of them are still around to tell their stories in person. I wish they had been able to stay around on campus. I think what they did was a peaceful protest and they had every right to conduct it on campus. I loved the article from the Star. Their individual stories are fascinating and I loved hearing about them. I wish they had been heard more at the time but I'm glad more people are on their side now. I just wish they had won their case.
- Laura R. (Online Class MC4301.280)
I'm shocked this is the first I've heard of the San Marcos 10. I frequently find myself at the stallions whenever there's mean men screaming at young college students about their sexual identities, so I got chills to think about something as substantial as an anti-war protest. Ending in arrests seems absolutely mind-blowing, especially considering they were peacefully protesting about something being protested WORLDWIDE. The stallions are meant to be a symbol of free speech, and if the old white man in a "Jesus Hates You" shirt can scream obscenities at students today, I'm hurt and disappointed (yet not surprised) at the lack of humanity in the San Marcos 10 case.
Thank you for sharing this with us and I will be bringing this up much more often. It gave me chills to see the photo of the remaining protestors for the 50th anniversary.
Paige Vancil (Online Class)
I have never heard of the San Marcos 10 before, which is shocking because it seems like such a monumental thing that happened on campus. I think that what they did was very courageous, considering that they knew they would be suspended for their actions. I think standing up for what you believe in, especially when it comes to such a controversial topic, can be difficult. In 1969, when the Vietnam War had been going on for a while, there were two very distinct sides, so to be able to stand up for your beliefs, in a state like Texas where people are very patriotic, and this protest was seen as anti-patriotic, is brave. It's crazy to think that this had only happened on campus 50 years ago. I liked the quote Bills had in the University Star article, “If we’re decent, big-hearted, fair-minded folks, we would not be okay with how things are right now in our own state.” I think it relates to a lot of what is going on today and back in 1969.
Tylor D. (Online Class)
It is surprising that, like others, I have not heard or learned about the San Marcos 10 before this blog. Considering the "patriotic" attitudes that many Americans have regarding subjects like war, these students had a lot of courage to stand up there and hold their stance, and it should be celebrated more. They were, without a doubt, practicing their right to free speech (even without saying a word), and it is disappointing that they were given such consequences for protesting peacefully. I also thought the verdict the judge gave for them (mentioned in the NPR broadcast) lacked logic and foundation. They were punished as the judge said they didn't cause a disturbance themselves, but the ones around them did. That is very annoying and shows the flaws of some of those in our justice system. That being said, I have tremendous respect for those 10 students that remained solid in what they believed in, even against all opposition.
I didn't know what that statue on campus meant and learning it was from the San Marcus 10 is cool to learn. I'm glad they were able to express their opinions peacefully, but it's bad they had their education taken away from them in the process. I feel like if a similar situation were to happen present day students would do the same thing. Our freedom of speech is important, and it's sad to hear that even with a peaceful protest they were punished. It's also crazy how that problem still happens present day all the time.
Honestly, I wish I possessed half the courage that the San Marcos 10 did in holding firm to their beliefs despite such immense external pressure—not only from their peers, but from an institution that could at the drop of a hat completely change the trajectory of their futures. What stuck out to me from each of the protestors’ individual statements was the emphasis on their patriotism and love for America, which largely fueled their determination to raise awareness, no matter the cost. I’ll admit, when I think of the typical anti-war student protestor from the ‘60s, I think of a more cynical personality with a contemptuous view of American society in general. But how the jeering crowd could construe these individuals’ silent sit-in and their signs calling for the return of U.S. troops from Vietnam as a lack of patriotism or disdain for America is beyond me.
Listening to Bayless and Burleson explain the judge’s reasoning behind upholding the university’s punishment against them took me back to the Texas v. Johnson case, and I just had to laugh. Although they had made no threats, had not damaged any part of school property, had not blocked entrances and exits, had not so much as shouted anti-war slogans to the crowd of students gathering around them, the judge ruled that the mere “possibility of disruption” warranted administrative punishment. Like the dissenting justices’ arguments in Texas v. Johnson, this ruling relies on the supposed reactions of other individuals, which will always be subjective. Since this event occurred about 20 years before the flag-burning case, I’m interested in how the Supreme Court at that time would have ruled on it—although I know almost for certain, judging by his track record in previous First Amendment cases and by the fact that he was the only one who voted to review the San Marcos 10’s case, that Justice Douglas would have decided in favor of the protestors.
- Hannah R., Honors Class
Chris Boeke (Online Class)
I think that this was a very interesting piece of campus history that I didn't previously know about. Given that the "San Marcos 10" were ridiculed by their fellow students and threatened with expulsion and, with it, the possibility of being immediately drafted, I think that what they did was an extremely brave act of protest. It was also interesting to see that one of the protestors was ,himself, a Vietnam veteran. I also found it fascinating that their suspension was never revoked and that, in the legal process, the blame was laid on reactions provoked by the protest rather than the protest itself.
Lily P. (Online Class:MC 4301.280)
I’ve personally never heard about the San Marcos 10, however, after the reading and the podcast I’m extremely glad that I did. Their courageous act to express how they feel in regards to going against the major beliefs about the war and the administration's disapproval of the protest speaks volumes especially for future generations. I liked that Texas State invited back the San Marcos 10 for the 50th anniversary of the protest. The group was able to use this reunion as a way to impact current students to exercise their freedom of speech which is very motivational to me.
Natalia R. Online class.
I had never heard of this protest before, but I am glad I learned about it now. I believe the San Marcos protested peacefully and safely. Reading and hearing about this was very inspiring and I believe they had every right to speak on this. I do not think it was fair whatsoever that they were suspended, I think there could have been a less extreme consequence because they have their right to freedom of speech.
Mikayla M. Honors Course
I'm genuinely surprised the university had such a negative reaction to the protest, considering the atmosphere of the campus today. The San Marcos 10 were peacefully protesting, as is their right, and today it wouldn't be shocking to see a protest on campus at all. I know by the horse statue there is someone that will occasionally sit there with a sign, asking to talk to anybody about anything. So that's why it's so hard for me to understand why these students were punished so severely for a simple protest.
I do understand, however, why the San Marcos 10 had mixed feelings about the day to commemorate them, because I don't think it is enough compensation for what they went through. They weren't allowed to graduate, which effectively means they lost thousands of dollars on a degree they couldn't complete. Not only that, but they were shamed and humiliated by being thrown out of the university for speaking their mind, and now had to figure out a new path in life. I think financial compensation or allowing them to complete their degree would've been much better, even if that completion of a degree was commemorative/ceremonious.
This story paints the university in the '60s as a different world. Ten individuals were expelled from a university and their credits were canceled in the process for a protest is absurd. Today, it is still possible for this to happen, but it would be a major story that would have ended in punishment for the university. Each member of the 10 has valid reasoning for their stance and should be admired for their resolve. It is a nightmare to be placed in a situation such as this at such a young age. Coming from a military family myself, the family conflict would be enough to shake me.
It is just as appalling for the 10 to have a day celebrating them at the university today. The damage is done and their lives have already been lived. It seems more like an attempt to improve an institution's image rather than an apology. Their reaction and mixed feelings are perfectly valid emotions. It was an overreaction to be expelled in the first place. Nonetheless, it is some sort of compensation. These students should have received more compensation for their efforts, but at least the university decided to reach out. It is difficult for me to quantify what should have been done. As a student, I look back at this entire debacle and think about how much it has all changed. Without people like them, we would not have the ability and rights we have today.
Kathryn B. - Online course
I really admire how the San Marcos 10 stood up for what they believed in. While I was reading the article, I felt moved by their courage and confidence to risk whatever opportunity they were pursuing at the university. The Vietnam war was extremely controversial and must have been such a draining and heartbreaking experience, especially for those who were anti-war. I can't even imagine being in school at the time and watching my friends and peers forced to fight in a war. What a terrifying position to be in, to not have a choice even if you were for or against it. I tried to put myself in the San Marcos 10's shoes. What would I do? I think I would want to make a difference and stand up for my beliefs too. I would join them in the protest and hope the constitution might protect me.
Tristen Rich-Online Course
I think that it is really crazy that the San Marcos 10 members got suspended from school for the year because they stood up for what they believed in. There was no violence or anything in their protest. It was honestly a peaceful protest. I do believe that Texas State only suspended them was to save their identity or to protect their image or to not make things a big deal even though when a soldier died, nothing was being done so that's why they became a voice to stand for there right. I had no idea that the statue on campus was known for where the San Marcos 10 protested at. Basically, the reason why we have the statue is for free speech. Honestly, I would do the same thing that they did to stand up for something that you believe in.
Timia C, Online Class
This is all scary considering what is happening now with Russia and Ukraine. It makes me sad that people have to go other countries and die for a country that sometimes treats them horribly with racism, discrimination or classism. I am sad that people are forced to fight in drafts and could see myself standing up just like the 10 against thousands dying for a war between selfish men.
Abigail,DeMouy MC4301.280
I was surprised to see that the San Marcos 10 individuals were suspended for standing up for their beliefs. They protested peacefully, and were doing no harm to other students or the university. I am happy to see, that the University has come a long way since this event. I understand that the university was worried about their school's reputation during this time period, however, that is no excuse to suspend students of the university for standing up for what they believed in. I believe that this event has helped shape the university's response to students right to protest as the years have passed. I think it is inspiring and courageous of the students to stand up for their beliefs, knowing that they would/could get into some serious trouble by the University.
Devyn Lucas, MC4301
I think that what the San Marcos 10 did was a very brave thing during their time, especially with the political climate at the time. What I found particularly interesting was that one of the San Marcos 10, David Bayless, had actually fought in the war himself and saw what a horrible war it was. This was something personal for him that he wanted to inform others of the brutal truth of the war. I also think that the fact he also kept the same energy after 9/11 really says something about what the Vietnam war experience was like for him.
Samantha Pennell, MC4301.280
The San Marcos 10 were very courageous and brave to speak out about freedoms of speech against Southwest Texas University.These 10 students did not care about the disciplinary actions that could have been brought against them, like many students would. I think it was wrong of the university to expel these students just because they spoke up about what they believe in. It was even more brave of these 10 former students to come back and protest again in 2019. I learned something about these students and that I had never heard about. I learned a lot of interesting things also about how Texas State University is much different now than it was when it was Southwest Texas University.
Haymanot Eshetu 4301.280 (Online Class)
It's so crazy to me this was a part of the school's history, I have never heard of The San Marcos 10 or any of this protest and I often forget this school has been around for a while. The reasoning from one of them being heavily penalized stemmed from the laws of protection for the school, I had no idea you had to stay on campus (as a woman) with curfew until 21 or be married to be allowed to move off-campus. I think these students were courageous and took some big steps in fighting for what they believed in even knowing the repercussions approaching them. That kind of silencing isn't new to texas state as the BLM protests were happening in this school and students were being dragged around for protesting for what they believe in. I think the punishments were way too harsh but I am very glad they have had the chance to return to school and pursue what they wished for. Giving them a day isn't enough they need to be commemorated by the university and shown as a part of the leaders they were.
I have never heard this story until now, and its crazy to think that this happened over 50 years ago. In my opinion, these protestors are heroes who stood up for what they believed was right even while facing punishment by the Dean. It seems that history repeats itself, especially with protests, where people are dragged out or face retaliation for fighting for what's best for humanity. I think it was a very wrong decision to suspend these students for peacefully protesting what they believed was right. This is a very interesting story and I'm always interested to learn about history that has happened at the university.
Breah L. - Online Class
Wow, this was such an interesting thing to learn about. Firstly to know that there were students, my age, willing to risk their status to protest something they believed in at this period of time makes me really proud. I am disappointed that they were removed from the school and expelled because it shows that the university just wasn’t where it needed to be at the time, a positive point to make however is how far we have come since then, and how much the university has grown in understanding and representing social injustices. A really cool story to read and i can’t believe it’s been 50+ years yet we could very well still being having the same conversation today.
Hannah S. - Online Class
This is the first time that I have heard about the San Marcos 10, which is surprising since the topic of free speech is often brought up when talking about Texas State. I have so much respect for those who stayed when their education was being threatened, and I love that they don't resent the students who chose to leave. As Eva mentioned, it is refreshing to see the stallions being utilized for a true free speech moment like an anti-war protest where lives were at stake instead of the people telling me I'm "going to Hell" for my shorts. I wonder if there is a way to better educate Texas State students about the San Marcos 10.
Madison Mott (online class); I had never heard of the San Marcos 10 before now. After reading and listening to the interview, I truly admire them. They were able to show and truly stand up for what they believe in, they did not use violence yet they used silence and signs. When I saw they got suspended I was truly surprised, I do not think that was fair. They did it respectfully and had reasoning behind the protest. With a “free speech” area at Texas State and yet somehow it was not ok. Seeing their view on it even further my admiration for them because of the ability they were able to stand up for what was right and seeing how one of them had even lived through it.
I had never heard of the San Marcos 10 before reading the feature story done by the University Star, so I was surprised by the consequences of the students’ actions. In the article, it states the 10 students sat peacefully, quietly, and did not incite any violence while protesting. Knowing these facts, it disappoints me that the students were punished through expulsion by Texas State. I find it surprising that the students were punished for expressing their First Amendment rights, but things were quite different back then I suppose. I am glad to see and recognize that the university most likely would not expel students in today’s time because every individual has a right to peacefully protest, and the university seems to encourage it or at least empathize with it now. This instance kind of reminds me of the all-girl country band, the Dixie Chicks, when they spoke against George W. Bush’s decision to invade Iraq. Their decision to speak against the war and violence the president was pushing into Iraq caused them to lose a huge following and they became a laughing stock to the point where they were no longer played on the radio. These instances make me realize how important it is for our free speech and right to protest needs to be protected.
- Parker Brocail, Online class
Meliza S. (online class)
This was such an interesting case. It makes me proud to be a Texas State student to know that prior students believed so deeply in their right to free speech. On the other hand, it is shameful to know that the university made the decision to suspend these students. I feel like the students that were disruptive should have been the ones that were suspended since the 10 students were practicing a peaceful protest. In the NPR report, David Bayless mentions that they didn’t let him walk the stage after he went back to school and earned enough credits to graduate. That really broke my heart, because I know how hard it is to achieve graduating and how much work it takes. I also can’t believe that as a veteran of the war Bayless would be treated like this. I don’t understand why the faculty and staff wouldn’t listen to someone who experienced the war. In 1969 people had to rely on was reported on the news or by paper, they didn’t have phones to record real time war situations. I think hearing firsthand of what was happening should have been validated. The judge’s decision was wrong, and it also doesn’t make sense that the judge was able to throw out Tinker v. Des Moines decision when considering how to rule this case.
Vayda O., Online Class MC 4301.280
Reading the article about the “San Marcos 10,” and getting to know about what happened did not surprise me. Their protest was peaceful and it did not seem like they had any ill intent. That’s honestly how most protests start. It's the cops and the onlookers that are typically the ones to inflict chaos and violence on a situation that was tranquil. That’s how things escalated during that one summer where George Flloyd was murdered and people were protesting for the rights of Black lives. It’s unfortunate that it always seems to happen that way, but because I’m aware of this, I wasn’t shocked by what I read.
Ty E.
I think that what the San Marcos 10 did was extremely brave of them. They were passionate about the issue and were willing to voice theirs opinions even though they would have to face consequences. I think it is wrong that a country that was built on rebels voicing their opinions in the face of consequences would be able to prosecute their citizens for doing the same. Citizens being able to use their voice is what pushes change in our country and should never be looked down upon. Our country is far from perfect so ignoring the opinions of the mass is extremely irresponsible.
(Honors)
It’s shocking that these students were kicked out of school, Now, TXST has its own free speech area at the horses statue at Derek so it’s very strange to think about these students not being able to get their degrees because they were exercising their free speech rights. It really puts things into perspective because like these students, I feel very passionate about current issues and would protest my mind as well but just thinking about the university suspending me over that is mind boggling. Now, I could probably parade through the quad protesting whatever I would like and I don’t think there would be consequences. I’m glad that this shows a progression though because it would’ve been even more upsetting if TXST was still suspending students for speaking their minds.
Aliyah W. (Online Class)
I have actually never heard of the San Marcos 10, but after reading this article, I can't help but to think of how brave these students were. As much as I hate that their small peaceful protest turned into something so much bigger, I expected it. Most times, peaceful protest end in a much more aggressive way, and for these 10 students, that just happened to be expulsion. The fact that they were only standing up for what they believed in and had to face these consequences is terrible. I also don't think that they should have had their credits taken away. They worked hard for those and they were only exercising their human rights. All humans should have the rights to exercise their freedom of speech; especially in a peaceful manner.
Kelsi H. (Online Course)
I had heard of the San Marcos 10 in my University Seminar class but had no idea the full extent of what they achieved. It's easy in a situation like this to do whatever everyone else is doing and leave. However, these 10 people decided to continue with their peaceful protests which unfairly resulted in them becoming expelled. It's sad to see people stand up for what is right and continue to be punished. Free speech is so important in this day in age and I can't imagine there being negative repercussions for something like this. It is beyond me that Bayless, a veteran was treated the way he was. I think that I am shocked at the whole situation and this just goes to show how important it is that people have the right to speak freely about what they believe in.
Kelsey Thomas Online Class.
After reading the feature and listening to the broadcast, I would like to say I am proud of the San Marcos 10 for standing up for what they believe in and what is right. I, myself, try to always stand up for what I believe in. I disagree with how the university dealt with its right to free speech. People should be able to peacefully protest so long as it is peaceful which I believe they stayed in their lane and did not deserve such harsh consequences.
Ashley Moorhead, Online class:
I do not believe that the students involved in the San Marcos 10 should have received any punishment at all. I think it’s absurd that they lost previously earned credits to Texas State at all. They displayed a peaceful protest in conflict with the war in Vietnam, there was no harm done or property damage in such protest. They used their free speech at Texas Stare where such events are
deemed acceptable. The protesters who stayed after knowing that there would be unjust punishment for their actions are right to be recognized for their bravery. If anything the people threatening and shouting towards these peaceful protesters should have been the one to receive said punishment.
Liz Hawkins, Online Class
I think what the San Marcos 10 did was courageous and they should not have had any form of punishment. We have the right to peacefully protest and we also have freedom of speech that allows us to have control over our voices. The San Marcos 10 had their rights as Americans stripped just because they were doing what we have been taught to do. I think as long as the protest is peaceful and no one is getting hurt, then they should have the right to protest.
Katie Kainer (online)
The actions of the 'San Marcos 10' were courageous and honorable by today's standards. Even in 1969, expelling them from the university was a clear violation of their first amendment rights. I believe that the university should reconcile this poor decision and not only credit all of their credits back, but present them with honorary degrees for their courage and bravery. Their protest was peaceful and necessary. I also find it sort of touching that they came back to the university 50 years later, still standing their ground.
Surid Kaphle (Online Class)
This was a very interesting read.
Never knew that this happened at Texas State during all my time here.
What these 10 students did was extremely courageous and brave, and I'm sure many of us today would do the same thing. Not only standing up against an unwinnable and unjust war, but in the meantime, they exercised their 1st amendment right to protest the government. Things have definitely changed at Texas State in the last 50+ years and I can't imagine the university following the same standards when it comes to free speech issues.
Sydney M. (online, MC4301.280)
I believe the SM10 group is being incorrect and unlawfully pursued for practicing their first amendment right to peacefully gather and protest. Not only is this a common happening with recent social standings, but it's becoming a serious issue that is borderline breaking the constitution.
I think the SM10 group was well within their rights, and what SMPD and local government is doing is shameful. I really hope SM10 plans on taking it to the Supreme Court system due to the amount of 1st amendment infringement.
Hearing that the San Marcos 10's case was denied at every court level due to "interfering with the free flow of education" shows free speech was at such a halt during this time. I think about the crazy things people protest at the stallions now, and to think 10 students were suspended for an entire year is absurd. However, it is admirable that those of the original San Marcos 10 came back for the anniversary to a university that suspended them for a year and even refused to let one of them walk across the stage at graduation.
- Abigail Burns (HON 3396)
Sara Thomas- online class
I believe that what the San Marcos 10 did took tremendous strength and courage. Did their silent and peaceful protect really cause that much of an issue for the university? To have them expelled seems to be extremely harsh and unnecessary. It wasn't like they were harming anyone, and for this to be something that has them expelled is absurd. As a person who is very outwardly spoken about the wrongfulness of situations involving people who did nothing wrong, I feel really disgusted by this. I believe that people do have a right to free speech and they did so in a respectful way! I am glad that they still stand firm in the actions. This is extremely important to not only do good, but stand strong in the decisions that take place because of the opinions at that time.
Jake Cameron (Online Class)
It's always inspiring when people stand up for what they believe in, especially when they know there are consequences to their actions. Although I have never heard about them prior, the San Marcos 10 have immediately become heroes of mine. I'm not surprised about the suspensions due to the time of the protests, and I believe the school would have treated them much differently in 2022. Keeping them from walking the stage after they returned to graduate was needlessly uncalled for!
Sean R. (Online Class) I think what the San Marcos 10 did was an extremely brave thing especially because each of those students knew what the consequences would be for their actions but still chose to protest. I think the University's decision was wrong and I do not think the students should have gotten expelled or been any consequences for their choice of peaceful protest against the Vietnam war. They should have been allowed to freely express their political opposing views of the Vietnam war.
Brooklyn M. (Online Class) I'm surprised that I haven't heard about the San Marcos 10 before this post. I think their protest was magnificent and I'm extremely impressed that they had the guts to continue on with the protest despite the warnings. The thing that I found crazy about this protest is the harsh punishment for a peaceful protest. I could understand these consequences if they started a riot or something along those lines, but waving signs and peace signs seems like something that doesn't deserve that severe of an action by the university. Even the article states that those observing the protest were becoming more unruley. My favorite part of the article was Michael Holman's update, who throws a rock at Olf Main's direction every day.
I had no idea this took place here on campus in San Marcos, Texas. I think it was super respectable how students were standing up for what they believe in. Specifically, the ten students who stayed regardless of the repercussions. I don't think they should have been expelled or suspended for peacefully protesting. I have noticed a pattern when people peacefully protest how much of an issue higher officials have with it. So, this does not shock me.
Yulissa Romero - MC 4301 online class
Wow! I didn't even know that this happened at Texas State. I think it's amazing that students peacefully protested on campus especially being in the 60s. I am currently commenting this while the news is playing in the background and it's so sad. Hearing what is going on in Ukraine and Russia while hearing San Marcos 10 podcast. I think them getting expelled was completely wrong, no damages or violence was done so why was there first amendment right not respected. I hope that if students were to do this on campus today they wouldn't get expelled because I'm hoping that Texas State has grown and learned from this. It is really cool to actually see people fight for what they believe in and I am happy that the San Marcos 10 are now seen as what they should've been seen as in the 60s.
To begin with, I want to say that I can only hope that if I was in a similar situation as them that I would be as brave. With this war happening in Ukraine and tensions raising between Russia and the US, I have wondered if we would get involved and if there would be a draft. I am personally very anti-war so I know that if there were protests, I would try to get involved. I only hope the university would not make the same mistake in punishing students for expressing their freedom of speech.
Danielle Rubio (online class) After reading and reviewing both articles I am not too surprised that the San Marcos 10 faced so many repercussions because in that time period older people wanted kids to "shut up and only speak when spoken too". Which is crazy because they weren't even kids! They were grown adults exercising a right given to them and they protested peacefully too. The San Marcos 10 showed true braver and stood up for what they believed in and that is something this country was built off of. We can only hope this would not happen again especially with so many controversial topics going on. I have lived through too many historical events and im only 21.
Jaidyn Hatchett (online class)-
I wasn't aware of the San Marcos 10 until reading this but wow! How impactful! This was extremely brave of them and shouldn't have been punished for peaceful protesting. I am inspired by them and the fact that they came back so many years later. They are very courageous people and I hope they are truly proud of themselves for their peaceful protest against the Vietnam War despite the consequence.
I really appreciated the mixed reaction the San Marcos 10 had in response to the admiration they received all those many years later. On the one hand, they were polite enough to come back and soak it up. On the other, I got the impression that they sort of felt like it was a moot point. Sure there has been a regime change since their dismissal, but still had an air of bitterness to their return. One of the guys admitted that he still throws a rock in the direction of Old Main every morning.
What the San Marcos 10 did was certainly ballsy. But it was ultimately a futile gesture as they were not shown any empathy from the courts, the school or anyone of significance. Information about them is scarce compared to others of similar belief.
I might have moved in order to fight another day. To aggravate the school by keeping one toe near the line. Any deadline they gave me, I'd stay until the last five seconds and move on and do it again and again. I'm not certain what they proved by getting kicked out of school. They've gone on to great accomplishment, and many finished their degree's. But few remember their story and contributions to the anti-war movement. But, more will remember them than they will me.
I suppose I'm neutral on the 10. I dig getting in the face of authority. But life carried on. It usually does.
SJA-HON3396E
The San Marcos 10 is an inspiring group of people who had the courage to stand up for what they believe in and had no qualms about facing consequences for it. Listening to the mixed reactions of the group to all of the fame and praise they have received as a result of their activism is understandable, considering peaceful protests should be allowed and actually embraced since they are a non-violent way for citizens to express themselves. In the moment, they probably thought what they were doing paled in comparison to activism efforts of the past that may have been more violent or large, but they truly made a difference and are a part of history all the same.
Jada D. MC 4301
Jeremy T (Online class) This is my fourth year at Texas State and this is actually the first time I’ve ever heard about the San Marcos 10. It’s amazing to me that a demonstration like this could have such little exposure to the students. This demonstration is a perfect example of what a peaceful protest is and the conversation that it can engage. I can’t understand why the university would punish the students involved in this protest when they were completely within their rights to peacefully assemble. I especially believe taking the students credits from the year prior was far too severe. I believe having multiple veterans in the group says a lot about the anti-war movement back then and even today. Many soldiers believe their doing a good thing by serving their country when in reality the United States has a history of unnecessary violence.
In my opinion, the San Marcos 10 was a courageous and peaceful group who was practicing free speech. I am not surprised at how they were reacted to in 1969. That was a time and situation when opinions weren't being accepted very well. As hard as this must have been, they endured everything with bravery and kept their priorities straight. I also love that they came back together and reconnected years later. This proves the power in unity. I believe it was also momentous that they gathered at the Stallions. These are on our campus as a safe place to practice free speech and they were used in an outstanding way by the San Marcos 10. I think they made a great example for future students and instilled bravery in them.
- Ashton K. MC 4301 (Online Class)
Hugo J online class. 4301. The San Marcos 10 are an inspiration to students like us. This situation also demonstrates how divided people can be. As the university and students turned on the protesters, they did not stay silent. We might take this situation in a different light today, but in what ways are we constraining the speech and protest of others? The San Marcos 10 put their education on the line to speak up about what they thought was correct. I believe we can make improvements to have better discussions and allow for change. A reason war is still ongoing today is because people still stand divided. They even fought to get reinstated back to the university, so I know these students were dedicated to their education. What the San Marcos 10 taught me is not to let go of opportunities that call for you to stand. When can I make an effort for change and how can I stand up for what I know is right? Only I know the answer to that question. I challenge myself to have an open mind, and be up for discussion.
I greatly enjoyed learning about the San Marcos 10 and about this interesting piece of Texas State history. My first reaction to learning this information is that honestly, I am a little embarrassed to be a student at Texas State now. I think the way that the administration handled the peaceful protests by these 10 students is completely absurd and embarrassing. The punishment absolutely did not fit the actions by these students. I thought the reference in the article that Southwest Texas State used to be known as the "safest place to send your daughter for college" because the school imposed a curfew and made women live on campus until they were 21 or married is also shocking looking back on it 50 years later when the culture of college is so different now. If it is true that Southwest Texas was trying to save their reputation for being a "safe" school by quickly disciplining these protesters, it was all for nothing because Southwest Texas in the 80s and 90s was consistently known as the "party school" where people went to party and have fun on the river. I have lived in this area my whole life and the school still carries that reputation despite changing their name. When I told my extended family that I was going to be attending college here, they went, "Oh... you're going to that party school?" so the fact that TXST seemed to care so much about their reputation as a safe/good school in 1969 is pretty ironic to see how much it changed just a decade or two later. Moreover, I also thought that the fact that they did not let student David Bayless walk and get his diploma (as he discussed in the NPR interview) was extremely petty but unsurprising. I have had my own issues with TXST administration and it doesn't surprise me that even 50 years ago they were still finding ways to disregard certain students. Honestly, it is frustrating and embarrassing. While I feel like students who protested a war today at the Stallions on campus would most likely be protected from getting expelled like the San Marcos 10, I think that (if it was a big enough protest) it would still cause disruption and issues with administration. The school does not want any lawsuits so I suppose they would allow students to exercise their speech rights within their legal bounds but they would allow it begrudgingly. The school doesn't want bad press getting out about them. Thinking about the story of the 10 reminded me of the embarrassing situations a few years ago with the student body president getting impeached and the student who wrote the newspaper article ("your DNA is an abomination" or something like that) that caused huge controversies at TXST and the administration tried to quiet the reports of those incidents. I would be nervous to attempt any speech exercise on campus because I'm honestly afraid of jeopardizing anything to do with my degree. I would not have the courage of the San Marcos 10 to stand up for what I believe in if it meant not being awarded my degree. As several of the 10 mentioned in the article, I would be afraid of what my parents would say or think about my actions especially because they are helping to fund my degree. I was also very surprised by the legal outcome of the 10's case, especially in light of the Tinker decision. It is saddening to think that the actions of Southwest Texas should have been reprimanded or reversed by a court yet the courts sided with the school instead. I feel like the school and the legal system let the San Marcos 10 down and it makes me feel sad and embarrassed. I would like to say that both the university's rules and the legal system have improved over the past 50 years, but we are unfortunately still seeing miscarriages of justice occur every day. Overall even though I am disappointed with how things turned out for the San Marcos 10 I am glad to have read their story and to have learned about the legacy of Southwest Texas.
Elektra J - HON3396E
I really enjoyed learning about the San Marcos 10. The first thing that comes to mind is how much things have evolved when it comes to free speech. It seems so obvious now that it wasn't fair they got expelled, that sometimes it is hard to get in the mindset of what things were like then. It makes me wonder what controversial things happening now will look like from a past tense lense one day. I thought it was interesting on the podcast how one of the former students mentioned how the dean said "While they weren't disrupting any problems, there was the possibility that there might be a disruption caused by this." This is an interesting perspective to note, because you can sense the good intentions of the former students throughout their interviews and feel their passion to stand up what they believe is right, but how will that affect those around them? Since the interview happened shortly after 9/11, I wonder if that perspective had another angle of meaning due to everyone being hyperaware to whats going on around them. If a similar situation was to happen a current day, would a protest be an infective way to get a message across? Although it was peaceful then, it had a sense of rebellion at the time. Rebellion and consequences are what gather attention. Would these students have the same recognition and admiration today if they never got expelled?
Elise Tobias - Online Class MC 4301.280
The San Marcos 10 set a good example in my opinion for those who wish for peaceful protest and sent a big message overall to the school and the community of San Marcos at the time. It brought to light a lot of things I feel more than just the Vietnam war in terms of the rights and freedoms of students and how drastically things like that can change. The university prevented them from attending other schools in Texas for a year and as talked about in the article won the case by very harsh methods that they shouldn't have gotten away with. The 10 dealt with being suspended along with the criticism from other students and citizens at the time including their own families so the fact that the school went down a brutal route for their educational careers overall seems somewhat unjustified. I still really enjoyed hearing their story since this one took place in San Marcos it gives a real immersive point of view on the situation altogether, especially in how the world is now.
Ryan Pinales - Online Class MC 4301
Given the time period, I can't say I'm surprised at how Southwest Texas State reacted to the actions of the San Marcos 10. I find their reaction disappointing considering the progress the first amendment has seen over the last 50 years. Reading about the experience of these protestors has made me feel even more grateful for the progression of our campus. The Stallions is seen as an area of free speech and I am glad people can gather around the landmark and vocalize their opinions, whether I personally agree with them or not. However, I am surprised that the San Marcos 10 found no justice in any court cases. The Constitution sets ground rules that I feel should have protected their actions, especially in a court of law. It's slightly shocking that their stance was rejected in all courtrooms. Regardless, I am still grateful for the progress our nation has made in terms of the first amendment. I hope that we continue to progress as time goes on! (Off-topic, but I also found it ironic that this event occurred in the last year of Lyndon B. Johnson's presidency, considering he attended Texas State!) - Camryn Cole (Honors Class)
Kaitlynn T. (Honor's Class)
From a logical standpoint, it's surprising to me that this case was handled in the way that it was. However, from a realism standpoint, I can't say I'm incredibly shocked. Going off of Tinker, the San Marcos 10 should have won their case. They weren't causing a disturbance, they weren't harming anyone, and they weren't even speaking. However, as we know, cases aren't always given the time and ruling that they deserve. Situations like this one are a great example of why we cannot rely on laws, courts and constitutions to protect our freedom.
Reading the blurbs about each member and listening to their interview was bittersweet. The premises on which they were protesting and the way they were treated was saddening. However, their attitudes and drive were inspiring. I don't think we'd have many of the freedoms that we do have if it weren't for people like them. Also, as someone who's only been on campus in the past few years- It's interesting to see the extreme difference in things that are tolerated on campus now. I've been verbally harassed by Sister Sally time and time again, and I've heard stories of swastikas being posted around campus. I am glad that our school + country has made progress in free speech rights (though having swastikas on campus is pushing it IMO), and I think we owe a lot of that progress to people like the San Marcos 10.
Side note- another thing I found shocking is that women had to live on campus until they were either 21 or married?!?!? I knew misogyny was off the charts at that time, but it's always crazy to learn about various ways that it was carried out.
MeriAllen K. Online Class
I am surprised this is the first time I am learning about this important event and these courageous people. What strikes me most is their determination to protest, their pride around it and the way they had no regrets. Some of them went against family and friend's beliefs to stand on their own and protest. They knew there would be consequences and they were all ready to take them, which is so brave. I completely stand with their actions and commend how much courage they had in this time. The country's involvement in this war was truly horrible and I am so glad these students took a stand against that. What surprised me was the way they were stifled. The newspaper itself even, in the removal of Bill Cunningham, the editor, is egregious. And the treatment of the students in the aftermath losing their fight legally and being barred from attending Texas colleges for a year after the event is such a harsh, unjust punishment. This only proves the oppressive state the students were protesting. My favorite part was Holman's comment that protesting war is the ultimate act of patriotism, which I agree with.
Desarae S. Online Class. After reading the article and listening to the interviews the 10 students had the right to perform such simple acts of protesting. The way they conducted their protest was quiet and was used to get the bystanders thinking about the Vietnam War. These students through it all had reasons to stand against the war. The Tinker v. Des Moines decision was the saving grace for others' lawsuits to not turn out like theirs. However, they still never won a case against Texas State, and that blows my mind. The courts should have sided more with the students after the Tinker judgment. But, this demonstration was not in vain, especially with the more recent protests and events happening in current years. What happened with Bill Cunningham was also a very large extreme for the University. I’m really happy that they all stood up for what they believed in. To have made that decision knowing that it had repercussions was so impressive.
Jordan Young(Honors Class)
The Vietnam war brought out strong emotions from both sides on the argument; it took a while for a majority of the country to oppose the war. So when the San Marcos ten protested on campus, they were in the minority; this is proven by the fact that onlookers started to become agitated by their stance and protest of the war. Furthermore, Texas State University, I believe, was in the right to stop the protest in fear of a larger disruption occurring on campus. However, since Texas State is a public university, they should not have been punished for their actions; a suspension to me is overkill. Especially since severely universities around Texas took part in opposing the Vietnam war. Lastly, I found it hard to believe that no court found it necessary to review the case. During a time in which the Supreme Court showed a willingness to bolster free speech rights, with Tinker v Des Moines being decided only nine months earlier. I believe that the students shouldn't have been punished in any manner and that an appeal should have been granted.
Janet Hagedorn (Honors Class)
I had no idea this kind of protest had occurred at Southwest Texas. As a second generation bobcat myself, I've grown up hearing the stories of what SWT was like in the late 70s and early 80s when my dad went here, and everytime he comes to campus to visit me, he talks about how much San Marcos has grown since. With this in mind, I commend the brave students who were a part of the San Marcos 10 protesting the Vietnam war. At the time, San Marcos was a fairly rural town, and the opinion of others at the time I can only imagine are a similar sentiment to my grandmother's, "I don't know why your father stayed there so long, I thought I'd never get him out of that town." It was incredibly brave of the San Marcos 10 to protest the vietnam war at a time where the remainder of the town simply wrote them off as hippies. I was touched by the quote by Sallie Ann Satagaj, “I had no fear,” and that “I knew I was doing the right thing. I knew this is what America was founded on.” I am shocked that Texas State Staff treated the San Marcos 10 this way, when now on campus this very morning I was bombarded by free speech "enthusiasts" hurling bible quotes in front of the very same stallions. Especially in light of Tinker V. Des Moines the same year, it is embarassing that the Texas State staff suspended those students. However, I am proud to attend the same school as these brave students.
Carleigh Dilley - online class
After reading the article and listening to the NPR report, I was so surprised! I had never heard about the San Marcos 10 before even after going to Texas State for the past 3 years. It seems like such a huge, monumental thing which almost made me upset that I had not heard about it before. I think that what they did was so courageous, since they did it knowing they would be punished for their actions. It can be difficult standing up for issues you are passionate about, especially knowing there will be consequences, but when theres a topic like this that was seen has highly controversial, fighting for what you believe in can help the future of the people that come after you. I have a tremendous amount of respect for the San Marcos 10.
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