In light of political protests on the Texas State campus, across the state, nation and world in the past few
years, it’s interesting to note that this is nothing new in San Marcos.
Consider the situation with the San Marcos 10. These 10 students at Texas State
University (then called Southwest Texas State University) took part in a
protest against the Vietnam War on campus, but were suspended and expelled from
the university in 1969.
Read this University Star feature story about some of the
members of the San Marcos 10 returning to Texas State on the 50th
anniversary of the protest in 2019: https://universitystar.com/17846/life-and-arts/san-marcos-10-revisit-texas-state-for-50-year-protest-anniversary/
Also, listen to this NPR report broadcast from Oct. 23, 2001, in which two
of the San Marcos 10 were interviewed: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1131946
Consider that this interview was conducted less than two months after the
terrorist attack on Sept. 11, 2001.
After you read the article and listen to the NPR report, return here and add a
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173 comments:
Christina Z. (MW Class)
I had never heard of the story of the San Marcos 10, but I find it fascinating to hear how Texas State (then Southwest University) reacted to a peaceful protest and peaceful display of First Amendment rights. Reading that The College Star journalists were silenced in reporting on the university's response feels similar to the case New York Times v. United States. It makes sense that this incident occurred before the outcome of that case because that case is what showed that newspapers couldn't be silenced because the government saw their reporting as a threat to their agenda. I wonder if this protest were to happen after the ruling of that case if the outcome would have been the same, or if the newspaper would have been allowed to publish the recounting of the incident.
Sakeef Alam (Online Class)
It's really cool to see how protests have been happening for a long time, even back in the 1960s during the Vietnam War. The story of the San Marcos 10, who got in trouble for protesting, shows how speaking out can have big consequences.
Listening to the NPR report from 2001, just after 9/11, adds another layer. It shows how people still cared about activism even after such a big event. It's like history repeating itself, but with different issues. It's interesting to hear how those students were still talking about their protest years later. It shows that what they did really mattered.
Lucciana C. MW 11 a.m. class
If I were personally involved in the described situation, I would feel a strong sense of injustice and frustration. The peaceful protest against the Vietnam War was a legitimate expression of dissent and a fundamental exercise of the First Amendment rights. The threat of and the actual suspension of the students, left me feeling that my freedom of speech and peaceful assembly would be unfairly suppressed if I were to protest a cause at TXST. I would likely be disappointed by the lack of support for journalistic coverage, as well as troubled by the hostile environment created by fellow students during the protest. The aftermath, with legal appeals denied and the university's actions upheld, only deepened my sense of disillusionment with the protection of constitutional rights in this context.
Madison Reams Online Class
Wow! I've never heard of the story about the San Marcos 10, but what a fascinating read! It's fascinating to see how protesting and different forms of activism have been going on for generations now. While I would certainly hope nothing like this would happen in today's day and age, I couldn't imagine protesting students on campus being this harshly punished for their actions. Like someone said above, I would like to know if the outcome of the students would've been different if this happened after the New York Times v. United States. It's crazy to see that even something as horrific as 9/11 happening still didn't keep students from discussing this event. It shows just how important this issue was and is to students.
Demitrius Eddings online class
Im glad I took the time to read this because I didn’t have a clue about the San Marcos 10 peaceful, anti-war protest at Texas State University in 1969, and how they were both suspended and engaged in years-long legal struggles. It’s fascinating to read the motivations of the San Marcos 10; why they participated; where they came from and what they sacrificed; how enraged students and faculty felt that memorial brooked no counter-narrative, and left many feeling excluded. It’s sad to see how federal court denied their case; how the holiday neither reflected nor resonated with members of the San Marcos 10; and that, on its 50th anniversary, the San Marcos 10 remembered what they had lost, and also
what they had gained. This article is a true and insightful tale, an almost verbatim account of a not-uncommon 1960s American history.
Fernando Rangel Jr MC 4301
After reading about the San Marcos 10 Vietnam War Protesters, I noticed how journalists were silenced during the protest, similar to the New York Times v. United States case. This made me wonder how past legal decisions might affect similar situations. Despite significant events like 9/11, people still talked about the protest, showing that activism endures. I felt frustrated by the suppression of First Amendment rights and wondered how historical legal rulings influenced the outcome for the protesters. Lastly, the importance of the protest and the sacrifices made by the protesters, highlight how activism, constitutional rights, and history are all connected. I can't belive they did not allow one of the students to not graduate in person due to his standpoint but rather just mail him his diploma.
Kathleen Hummer
Online Class
Finding out about the San Marcos 10 and what happened to them left me feeling really upset and shocked. It's just hard to believe that in a country where we're supposed to have so much freedom, people could get punished so badly for speaking out. I really feel for the students who were just trying to stand up for what they believed in, and it's frustrating to see that the schools and systems didn't do more to protect their rights. This story really hits home for me because it shows that we still have a lot of work to do to make sure everyone is treated fairly and can speak up without being afraid.
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Julian Vallejo mw 11am class
After reading about San Marcos 10 protesters really doesn't surprise me which is sad because nothing is changing. Simple students can't even have a peaceful protest, protesting what they feel is right but when we do, and even now, they and we are still being punished for speaking how we feel. Also listening to NPR report from 2001 just explains how history always repeats itself this article and report tells. its sad because this protest was so long ago and us still talking about it says they were making a difference.
The article made me somewhat sad because their thoughts on the war resulted in them being denied education. The fact that the San Marcos 10 all knew what the result of their actions would be, and protested in spite of that fact, serves as inspiration to current and future students. I think their actions are admirable and I am glad the University Star wrote about this. It shows the school is learning from their past mistakes of suspending students that were peacefully protesting. I enjoyed hearing from the protestors and what happened after.
Lazaro Loredo
ONLINE CLASS
Upon reading about the San Marcos 10 I was completely shocked, mostly due to the fact that this happened not all that long ago. Its really shocking to think about a time in our country where we were striped from our first amendment rights. To think that these peaceful protestors were punished to that degree from their university makes me deeply sympathize for those involved. I think its the Universities responsibility to defend and encourage its students to stand up for ha they believe in. I think that the legacy of the San Marcos 10 lives on in its future students standing up for what they believe in and im glad that Texas State is owning up to its past mistakes.
Hannah Novak M/W Online Class
I had never heard about the San Marcos 10 but am so glad I got to read about it. This story was so devastating in many ways because universities are supposed to be safe places for students to peacefully protest and express their views but instead, they lost credits and many did not return to the university to graduate. There have been so many protests over the last few years that have caused legitimate harm and damage and have received no consequences so the fact that the San Marcos 10 attempted to peacefully protest and received such uncalled-for ramifications is heartbreaking. I found it inspiring that Annie Burlson said she was, "raised to stand up for what she believes in" and viewed the event as an opportunity to do so. I feel like I will view the university with a different set of eyes, knowing that this event took place and I am walking on the same ground many of these students lost their privileges on.
I truly feel so blessed to have such a positive learning environment at Texas State and to experience more freedom than these students were given.
Riley Grafe M/W class
Before reading this, I never heard about San Marcos 10 but I am happy I got the chance to learn about it. It was honestly a really sad story and heart breaking in a lot of ways. College students feel like universities are supposed to be a safe place and for it not to be can have future conflict with that certain university. Having protestors on the university is apart of our first amendment right. But having it feel like it's being stripped away can feel like their rights are no longer valid. With that, listening to the NPR report from 2001 reminds us of history can repeat itself. I believe we still need to work on making sure everyone is treated fairly going into the future.
Katie Cusick MC 4301 Online
I am heartbroken that free speech is not more protected across University. I feel that at Texas State the University tends to partially shield people but not to the extent that others have experienced. I think its odd how people are punished for speaking how they feel it isn't fair to the public.
McKenna Ladson MW media law course 11am
I am shocked I had never heard of the San Marcos 10, especially in any of my courses here at Texas State. I find their actions took a lot of courage, and I find their rights to have been violated. They were protesting peacefully. Even Bayless said in the interview, that they weren't disturbing or interrupting any kind of education either. Although only one Supreme Court Justice voted to review this case, I would have loved to see this under review and for the highest court to rule and share their opinions.
Adreana Mendoza M/W class
I have never heard of the San Marcos 10 before, its crazy to think that today or I lest I feel like a new protesting is always going on campus and the punishment is never l been something that bad. taking the people First Amendment rights.
Matilda S, Online
I had never hear about the San Marcos 10 before and i was shocked reading this story. It is crazy to think these students have been silenced and punished with suspension. I think these student were very brave with standing up for what they thought was wrong and i think what they did was important. It is sad to hear that they were denied their right to speak, and it makes me think about how lucky we are that you are able to speak freely on campus now.
Valerie E. Online
I was so interested in reading about this because I had never heard of the San Marcos 10. I do think it's very inspiring reading stories like this where the students knew that there were going to be consequences, yet they we're so passionate about the war that they chose to stand their ground. I'm honestly shocked that this happened at Texas State, and it gives me a new perspective on the values that they placed on their students. I also think it's crazy that they cited the Tinker v. Des Moines case yet still lost the case.
Chandler Young
I was honestly very surprised while reading this story because I did not believe something like this would happen. Something so blatantly unconstitutional happening right in front of everyone's eyes. I was most surprised by the judge ruling that the protest could potentially cause violence so therefore they would be punished for it. I'm hopeful that something like this would not happen again and if it does the people would fight for the right to exercise the first amendment.
^I am in the online class sorry for not putting that in the initial post.
I have never heard of the San Marcos 10, but I enjoyed reading and learning about it. They were very courageous. They weren't going to stop until they were heard. One thing that stood out to me was that the ten students were barred from enrolling in another Texas university for a year after being suspended. The group soon met with lawyers to fight the treatment they had been given. Their case was denied at every level of appeals and federal court ruled in favor of Texas State. I think since then, Texas State has grown and how us students are lucky we can exercise our right of free speech.
Jared Joyce MW 11AM
This is my first time hearing of the San Marcos 10. I think its really cool to hear this history about the stallions here at Texas State. I find it really interesting how they were kicked out of school for a year for a peaceful protest. I think events like this show the importance of having an area like the stallions on campus where people can truly speak free without consequence.
Miranda Lamb - Online
As a San Marcos native, it is surprising, to say the least, that I have never heard of the San Marcos 10. In my opinion, this is a topic that should be spoken about more. Texas State kicking these students out of school and refusing enrollment in the following year over a peaceful protest over the war is a blatant disregard for the First Amendment. These students were wrongfully disciplined. One of the protestors, David Bayless, being a Vietnam veteran himself reflects the severity of the situation.
Faith H - MW class
This was my first time learning about the San Marcos 10 and I found the story fascinating. And I think their story is one that should be talked about more. These 10 individuals were expressing their right of the First Amendment and unfortunately were punished for it. But they were doing what they believed was right, and at the time it was seen as potentially dangerous to surrounding students and the university. However, we look back at this story now and we understand just how important their actions were.
Gabi Castro - MW Class
In my 4 years here at Texas State, I have never heard of the San Marcos 10. This is crazy to me because I feel like this is something that we should've at least heard something about. Especially because this didn't just happen in San Marcos, it happened right on our campus. These students were wrongfully disciplined, and I feel that it was an important part of history because students can now protest freely.
Tayler Pierson MW Class
Since being at Texas State I have never heard of this protest. I believe these students were extremely harshly disciplined and went completely against our amendments. You would think students would be made more aware of this situation since it took place on our campus. The students were expressing their rights and were wrongly punished. I think this story is important to be shared.
Lexi Best- Online
I have been a Texas State student for three years now and like many other students have never heard about this. I am not surprised Texas State, formerly Southwest Texas State, doesn't talk about the San Marcos 10 because they blatantly disregarded these students' futures and rights. Not a good look. What the school did to the students was unjust and a violation of the First Amendment. Students should and do have the right to use their First Amendment right, "the right of the people peaceably to assemble", especially on a college campus where we are all primarily adults.
Ryan Salas- Online Class
It was really amazing hearing and reading about how at our own campus at Texas State since way in the past there have been many protests happening from back to the 1960s protesting the Vietnam War. Learning about the story of the San Marcos 10, where 10 students including one veteran got suspended for protesting, actually surprised me for having a protest of freedom of speech to stand on being anti-war.
Also, listening to the audio recording report from 2001 a little after the 9/11 attack. Hearing that they grew past that punishment to come back to the school graduating later on shows that you have to stand up for what you believe is right and stand your ground. If it is for the right cause great outcomes will be awarded.
Destiny R MW 11 a.m. class
I think this story is so cool especially because I've spent a lot of time out by the Stallions statue. I knew that that area is known as the free speech area, but I never knew how far back the stories went. I've spent time out there when Cliffe Knechtle came for the past few years and also when Sister Cindy came. At the time, I thought that was a big deal, but now that I now that such a historical event happened right there, that overshadows it by a lot. It's crazy to think that Texas State students were so passionate about this cause that they were suspended, but the fight didn't necessarily end there. The students submitted an appeal to THE U.S. Supreme Court, sadly they Supreme Court did not review their case, but it's still cool to think about the fact that Texas State students just like me brought a case all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.
Candace T.
T/TR HON 3396E
Like a few of the other commenters, I had never heard of the San Marcos 10 and their protests. It is a great story on that shows how free speech, especially in predominantly conservative areas like Texas, was challenged and violated, but this story also shows how it can sometimes prevail. Those 10 stood their ground and made headlines that show how strongly they feel about the Vietnam War. As for the violations, the fact that the students were made aware that if they were to protest, even peacefully, they'd face academic consequences by the Dean is upsetting. Also, the school newspaper being censored at a time where free press and equal opportunity of opinions was so important, is shocking.
I'm so glad that this protest was acknowledged for its representation of the meaning of the first amendment and that each individual still advocates for their beliefs today.
Luis A MW class 11 am
I was unaware of the history of texas state. I have never heard of the san marcos 10 and was interesting to read about them. It's a shame that they were threatened to be punished for trying to express their opinions and had their free speech rights violated.
Garon Utterback, MW Class
I enjoyed reading the story and I am surprised it isn't mentioned more on campus. I think that there should be some type of recognition for the courageous students. Student's should be aware of this story in order to help understand how important the 1st amendment is.
Brinley Martin MW 11 O'Clock Class
I am saddened to say I had no knowledge of the San Marcos 10, but I am glad I got to learn a little bit more about them and be able to give my opinion on the situation in this post. My opinion on this subject is that I agree with the standpoint the San Marcos 10 were making about the Vietnam War. I think they were ridiculed so heavily for it because of Texas's conservative woes, especially during that time period. Although they were suspended and expelled, they still made headlines for their ideologies and made significant headway in the media.
Amara Davis - Online
Before this module, I hadn't heard of these events at Texas State. In my opinion, it was unfair and unconstitutional for punishment to have been inflicted on the 10 students; they were simply practicing their basic constitutional rights. I can understand for this to be happening in the argument against the Vietnam War two weeks after 9/11, the University was fearful of the situation risk of the protest.
Chandler Knowles- MW 11-12:20
Prior to this week, I had never heard of the San Marcos 10 and their stories. After indulging in some of the links left for me, I find I am inspired by the group. To be silenced, and then return to fight for your rights years later is inspiring. It is also worth noticing that being expelled off campus for practicing a peaceful protest seems unwarranted from Texas State, and I'm wondering if that is why I've never heard of the group prior.
I also enjoy the consistency of the group. Years later, shortly after 9/11, the group was still calling for action and practicing their free speech in interviews. It is inspiring how they always practiced their right to free speech, no matter the punishment.
I hadn't known that we had something as notable as students being suspended for war protests. And the Star was censored as well!! To me it seems so simple, allow people to express their ideas freely, as per the blog name, but wartime tends to bend those rules, as the 10 expressed in the aftermath of 9/11. Or rather, didn't express as they are just as committed to being able to speak freely no matter the circumstances, to which I would agree and argue that that is specifically why we have the first amendment. We've oughta make the 10 a statue of some kind near the Stallions.
Nathan Schutt, MW 11-12:20
Zavien H - Online Class
After reading the University Star feature and listening to the NPR report broadcast I find it interesting to see how people's first amendment rights were attempted to be restricted by forms of government. I have never heard of the San Marcos 1o, but these students were treated unfairly and did not receive justice in my opinion. I know the time of the Vietnam war was difficult and a lot of people were against it, but a peaceful protest like the one that occurred in 1969, should not have resulted in the expulsion of those young adults. They have freedom of speech, freedom of press, and the rest of the first amendment clauses they are allowed to express freely. This does remind me of the case New York Times v. United States. The government was trying to control what was getting published and that is against the law.
Tara Davis - 11 AM MW Class
Like many others, I'd never heard of the San Marcos 10 before this assignment. It makes me upset to hear about how they were treated during this time. The country was founded on power to the people and a government for the people, but these ten students were failed immensely by our government. I would like to believe that Texas State has changed since this time and would allow students to protest peacefully, but you would never really know unless it happened. In the NPR report, David Bayless talks about how he couldn't even walk the stage after his graduation, years later when he decided to come back to get his degree. It seems unfair that he was still being penalized for staying at the Stallions, even years later.
Vianna Gonzales - online
I have never heard of the San Marcos 10 until now, and it's shocking to read about a peaceful protest that resulted into expulsion for the students. Regardless of the country's situation at the time, a peaceful protest/any protest should be protected by the constitution. It is inspiring to read each of their responses after the event, they all believed the did the right thing regardless of the outcome. They stood up with their opinions and protested what they believed needed to be protested at the time.
Piper Baldwin: 11 a.m MW
Alongside the majority of the class, I was unaware of the San Marcos 10. This is a shocking and saddening story. Peacefully protesting (exercising their rights as a U.S citizen) should never result in expulsion. I admire their fight for justice without fear of consequences. This story needs more recognition.
Brooke Nielsen- Online Class
I had never heard of the San Marcos 10, before reading everything from this class. It blows my mind that students actually got expelled for I feel as representing their first amendment rights. In America this is what we are told we are able to do freely, and these consequences were extreme and could have been handled in a different direction. I wish more people in this day had the motivation and fearlessness these students had then, but it makes sense why people don't because no one wants to get expelled and feels they are unable to speak their opinions freely without severe consequences. This was a very inspiring story that needs more recognition throughout the area and in Texas.
Ryan E., Online Class
It's very interesting to me how far universities have come in allowing protests and free speech. Texas State University is just one example of that, illustrated perfectly by this story. The San Marcos 10 never said anything or did anything other than hold up signs on campus, yet they were silenced and even punished for this completely peaceful protest. I also find it interesting that the school back then designated a free speech area at Old Main, which "no one ever went to," presumably to limit free speech without actually saying that. Now 50 years later, some of the 10 former students were invited back to commemorate the event at the very school that suspended them. I was also very disappointed that the students' case was thrown out. It's a frustrating story, but at least our university is now at a place where people can talk about (almost) whatever they want on campus without worrying about punishment. And now the "free speech" area is at Fighting Stallions, which hundreds of students pass by every day. As a side note, it's ridiculous how women were treated at this university at the time and I'm glad we're way past that now.
Skylar Haver- Online class
I have never heard of the San Marcos 10 but I am glad i got to hear their story. I find it extremely sad that these students were ripped off an education because of having strong beliefs and standing up for them. I am so relieved that universities have come father than this and have let student have freedom of speech. In my opinion these students did not get their justice for simply having a peaceful protest.
Nicholas R. - Online Class
This is my first time hearing about this story. I suppose it was a different time back then. It’s crazy to think that they were suspended and couldn’t attend college. Imagine having to explain that to your family or your parents. For this to happen today, it would probably be a huge issue with everybody. The students would have to do something way worse to merit a suspension from the university. And that fact that Bill Cunningham lost his job just for doing his job is insane. It makes one think what was so horrible about the message of these peaceful protest to the government. What made them so hostile. Reading everyone’s interviews was very interesting they were all relatively upstanding citizens and students who were lied to and pushed around. They probably didn’t realize how big of a thing they were apart of. At the time it was just what they felt they needed to do. And now looking back they’re historical figures.
Keilani De Luna : M/W
I've never heard about the San Marcos 10 until right now. I find it crazy that things like this are never talked about on campus. Whenever I first got to Texas State, they always said that the quad is a place to express yourself and not see what the San Marcos 10 did wrong. I definitely think that suspending for a year is wrong. We already pay so much as students and the suspension is crazy. Everyone is open to their own opinion as long as there is no harm done.
I had never heard of the San Marcos 10 until reading this article but I think it's so inspiring to hear that these students were willing to stand up for something they believed in even when the consequences were so disheartening and quite frankly, unfair. I'm sad to hear that these young students were robbed of their chance at an education simply because they were strong enough to stand up for what they thought was right and refused to stand idly while injustices happened.
The San Marcos 10 story is new to me, but I found it interesting to learn how Texas State (formerly Southwest University) handled a nonviolent demonstration and peaceful exercise of First Amendment rights. Reading that reporters for The College Star were restrained from discussing the university's response makes me think of the United States v. New York Times case. This occurrence makes sense given that the case's outcome demonstrated that newspapers couldn't be suppressed because the government considered their reporting to be a danger to its objectives. I wonder what would have happened or whether the newspaper would have changed if this demonstration had taken place following that case's verdict.
Logan Gordon- Online Anytime
Much like the rest of the class I had no clue about the San Marcos 10. For me this is very interesting because I feel the Texas State we know and love everyone here expresses who they are and how they feel. To me this extremely disheartening and shocking. I think the consequences that the 10 students had was so extreme and completely unfair. Something that I Found very interesting was how one of the 10 in the interview stated that men were very scared and some of the first to back out of the protest in fear of being expelled. He said that it made them a perfect target to be drafted almost immediately. That Truly blew my mind because something as simple as standing with a sign with no violence can't get you expelled and drafted in a matter of minutes it crazy. This to me is a prime example of how easy it is for our rights to be taken away.
I found this story very interesting and quite sad because these students were just doing what them believed was right.
Sydni Brault (M/W class)
In relation to Tinker v. Des Moines from lecture, the San Marcos 10 were wrongfully suspended from their school. Now, what I find fascinating is that a public university did so in comparison to Tinker's high school. I understand that schools can get away with certain rules and regulations that may seem unfair, but just in doing so as the definition of "student" varies. Very cool that fellow Bobcats stood up for what they believed in without violence or educational disruption. That being said, those students should have had free expression rights.
Daven M Online Class
This was an interesting article and a great work of journalism. It is unbelievable that Bill Cunningham was removed from the College Star in 69 for the coverage of this exact topic. The "muzzle" was real for journalists regarding the coverage of the war in Vietnam, which was just before several laws were implemented to protect journalists, such as the New York Times v. United States case in 1971. Flash forward to the new century, Cunningham and the San Marcos 10 received praise for the very act they were drug through the mud for. Now, obtaining a holiday and the whole shebang is a complete 180 for the changing times.
As for the NPR segment that was recorded in 2001 in the heat of a new war against terror, I thought the similarities were very eery. The fact that this was just two months after 911 probably gave the members of the San Marcos 10 flashbacks to when they were there that day at the Stalinon on Nov. 13th 1969.
I'm shocked and embarrassed to say I hadn't heard this story before. It's incredible that a historic protest occurred in the middle of campus in a location that I walk by almost every day. As cool as it is to hear about these courageous students, it is equally as sad to hear about the University and the way it handled the protest. I'm also shocked to learn that the students didn't win their appeal, and I can't help but wonder how the supreme court would have ruled if they had heard the case.
I couldn't help but notice the irony in Sallie Ann Satagaj's father's response after she told him she was going to protest. “I know the Constitution will protect you and I support you all the way.” The constitution should have protected her, but unfortunately the university and courts let her, and the rest of the San Marcos 10, down.
Ryan K, MW 11am
Madyson W. (Honors Class T/TH 3:30)
After reading the interview and listening to the NPR report, I was surprised to find out that the individuals that partook in the protest were completely suspended from the university. In the Tinker V. Des Moines case, students participated in a similar protest with wristbands on their arms in efforts to go against the Vietnam war, and they won the case at the supreme court level. The lawyers of "The San Marcos 10" used the Tinker V. Des Moines case to help back up the conviction but unfortunately that was not enough, and the case did not even make it to the supreme court level, with Douglas being the only vote. I was just taken back to how similar the cases were, and how the result of the cases came out completely different.
(T/TH 9:30)^
Emma Brown Online 5313
After reading the interview and listening to NPR report, as well as possessing some prior knowledge of the San Marcos 10, I cannot say I am shocked at the outcome of this case. In a college setting, one would expect students would be allowed to express themselves politically, and I am honestly surprised not much was done to combat the suspension and that their case was dismissed. I definitely do not think it was justified, but I am also not surprised.
Jenna Owens (JO) Media Law and Ethics 4301 MW 11:00-1:20
I never heard the story about the San Marcos 10. It's amazing to learn about the history of Texas State University. It surprises me that the University suspended the students for a year just for peacefully protesting. Especially because during this time a lot of people were opposed to the war. I will say I think it was unethical and wrong for the students to be denied an appeal. Especially because of other cases like Tinker v. Des Moines that are similar to this case being allowed to have a hearing. I don't think the ruling was justified at all and I do love how we still celebrate the 10 students.
Brissa C Media Law and Ethics 4301 MW 11:00-1:20
Like many commented before, I also have never heard about the San Marcos 10. The fact that many do not know of the protest says a lot about TXST by never mentioning it ever and only hearing about it by word of mouth. I think what they are very admirable and did not deserve to be suspended for something that is in their right to do.
Cannon Baker
MC 4301
The account of the San Marcos 10 peaceful protest at Texas State University in 1969 reveals a poignant struggle against unjust suspension and legal battles. Personally, such injustice would evoke strong feelings of frustration and disillusionment with the protection of constitutional rights. The protest faced hostility and lacked journalistic coverage, leaving participants isolated. The denial of legal appeals deepened the sense of disillusionment, highlighting the challenges faced by those advocating for change. This historical narrative sheds light on a significant moment in history of Texas.
Devin V Media Law and Ethics 4301 MW 11:00-12:20
To be stripped of your education for peaceful speaking up and using your voice is absurd. A college and university is supposed to teach you and help you learn and ready you for the real world, so speaking on important issues facing the country at the time and expressing your opinion should not only be justified, but encouraged. To have your education and years and money that you put into the school just taken away over a peaceful protest is embarrassing
Kennedy J, MW class
I had never heard of the Texas state 10 before which just goes to show how our university operates. I think it is not widespread knowledge and the university wants it that way because they violated the first amendment of those students. Having the right to peacefully assemble and protest is protected under the first amendment and having your education stripped away because of it is unconstitutional and unlawful. It is possible that the University took more severe measures when it came to protests against the Vietnam war because their most famous alumni Lyndon B Johnson is responsible for prolonging the war and sending many young shoulders to their deaths in Vietnam. That’s why it always baffles me when people go and touch his hand for good luck, he has the blood of thousands on his hands…
Roland C. MW 11am class
I have never heard the story of the San Marcos 10 and I enjoyed learning about their story and listening to some of the members tell it from their perspectives. It’s both inspirational and upsetting. The fact that Bill Cunningham was taken off the College Star for covering the events of the San Marcos 10 highlights the ongoing struggle regarding freedom of press and is reminiscent of the events of the Hazelwood case. Even while knowing what would happen to him if he continued to report on the Vietnam War protest, Cunningham still stayed true to his beliefs. By censoring student journalists who strive to shed light on significant situations such as the San Marcos 10, institutions risk suffocating the voices of the future generation of reporters and weakening the values of free press.
Kadence C -- online class
I had never heard of the San Marcos 10, but I am so thankful that I have this knowledge now. The way that the university handled a nonviolent protest and action of students practicing their First Amendment rights was WRONG. I do not believe they deserved to be suspended because it is our right as US citizens to have the freedom of speech.
Fiona Z. 11 a.m M/W class
I have never heard about the San Marcos 10 before, but now that I have, I think their story is an important one to share. It is absurd that they were suspended for protesting. For simply just sitting in silence with sings. It is also absurd that they fired the guy from the University Star for reporting on it. The protestors did the right thing.
the podcast brought up an amazing point- It's amazing that the men stayed even though expulsion from school would mean getting drafted.
All of the protesters were strong people who stood up for what they believed in, even when they were threatened.
Sydney F. MW Class
I think that the story is so interesting, I didn't know anything about the San Marcos 10. I definitely think that they were wrongly suspended from TXST, along with all other Texas schools for a year. I do not think that the school handled the situation correctly, as the students were peacefully protesting. The university is supposed to be a safe place for students to gather and I am angry for the San Marcos 10 that they never got justice for what happened to them. I am grateful that in present times us students have the right to protest peacefully with no consequences on campus.
I had never heard of the San Marcos 10, which I think for a school to have made this big of an impact on its students and its history, I would have imagined there would have been more highlights on it. I think even with things like President's Day, Texas State tends to post stuff even if it's just George Washingtons birthday not a date to celebrate every president, so there should be a day where this story gets re-posted.
I also feel like it's time for them to accept their mistake and own up to it. I have seen a handful of protests around campus and TXST hadn't reacted to them, as far as I'm aware, so I think it would look better on their end to finally put a foot forward and take some initiative action. However, it seems that no matter the year TXST does not make a comment on such events where students fought them (for example, the recent scandal with the football player who has allegations/evidence against him).
Lastly, I just wanted to mention that the fact that these 10 people didn't know each other before this day but still stood their ground and supported each other is unbelievable. Also, can't believe that some of them afterwards (or before) dedicated themselves to the army and not something more humanitarian.
Pablo Garcia M/W 11am class. It is my first time hearing of San Marcos 10. Very interesting story. The suspension from TXST was wrong in my opinion and including other schools from Texas is too cruel. The situation could have been dealt with in other ways as I feel they were peacefully protesting. I feel San Marcos 10 was wronged and never served justice. It is admirable that they stayed strong for what they believed in and endured all that trouble. I also feel shocked that this information is new to me despite being here for 4 years.
Joaquin Salazar Herrera Online Class
After reading the stories of the San Marcos 10, I can see why the Fighting Stallions is made the free speech zone. The story of these 10 getting punished for standing what they believe to be right is upsetting. If this happened now, I believe there would be outrage over the punishment.
The right to protest is what the First Amendment is for, and to hear they were punished for this... is truly upsetting. It makes me glad times have changed so that we have the ability to speak about what we believe in and what we want to stand for.
Carson C M/w
This is my first time hearing about the san marcos 10 but i believe it is a huge part of Texas States history. The students were wrongfully suspended and were stripped of their first amendment rights. Peaceful protests are protected by the first amendment.
Cam Cunningham M/W 11am
I was unaware of the story of the San Marcos 10. It is very cool to know that we had our own group of protesters in our history here at Texas State. I believe this is a major part of our schools history and there should be a day to celebrate the San Marcos 10 as they were wrongfully expelled from school.
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Jaelynn S
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This was my first time hearing about the San Marcos 10, and I am very perplexed by the situation, specifically by the extreme actions taken by the University. Before this class I can’t say that I would’ve had a particularly strong reaction to this incident, but now that we are a decent way through the semester and I have a better understanding of what the guarantees of free speech and free press are I do feel more intrigued by the details of what happened. It was really interesting to read the University Star article and see that the students had attempted to apply Tinker v. Des Moines and still had their rights on campus overlooked, especially considering the similarity between the two situations with the black armbands and their opposition against the Vietnam War.
In the University Star article, Holman says, “To me, protesting the war is about as patriotic as one can be.” To me, this quote felt very reminiscent of many of the defenses made in decisions we have previously discussed in class, many of them emphasizing how important discourse is to the preservation of free speech.
Something that also really stood out to me after listening to the NPR broadcast was the less explicit consequence put forth by the University in expelling the students who continued protesting after the 3 minutes were up. In the interview, Burleson notes that she did not judge those who left before the 3 minutes was up harshly because a lot of the men who were protesting would have been drafted if they were expelled. After hearing that, the actions taken by the university appear particularly sinister to me.
Caleb Escobedo MC 4301.255 11AM class
In this case and situation, I believe that there are a lot of moving pieces in all this with post 9/11 and the Vietnam War all being tangled up in this article alongside the interview. I believe that we as students have to realize that we are students of a public university but the said university has rules and regulations that that follow as if a company of sorts. The San Marcos 10 is very interesting, with this being a cause for the First Amendment to be examined but at the end of the day it is the campus property and they can enforce any proper rule and regulation that is constitutional as long as it is approved by the board of directors regardless of how the student body feels towards outside social political events.
Aspen Plummer
M/W 11:00am
The San Marcos 10 demonstrated a lot of courage in standing up for their beliefs. Surrounded by a hostile environment, these ten individuals refused to back down, they showed heroism. Revolving by their non-violence mindset, they showed the power of peaceful resistance in the pursuit of justice and change. The signs they carried and the messages they spread, "How many dead will it take?" "War kills, peace builds" not only expresses their opposition to the war but also their commitment to a better future. Their actions are powerful and I can fully understand standing up for what is right, even in the face of adversity. Their bravery is an inspiration to us.
Tyler Engquist M/W 11/12:20
Learning about to the san marcos 10 was very interesting and is very interesting to see the consquences of what protesting can do and what can happen. You should always be free and open to whatever you beleive but i also think its interesting on how what had happend shifted the world as well as the university.
Megan Kim - Online Class
I was surprised to hear about this incident. When I think of Texas State, I don't think of silencing voices. In the past few years there have been many peaceful protests where no one got in big trouble. For example, about a month or two ago, there was a protest for Palestinian liberation. Hearing about the San Marcos 10 shocked me because I had never heard of a peaceful protest being silenced like that on campus. It's upsetting to see students get punished for their right to peacefully protest. After listening to the NPR segment it just makes me realize how many events repeat themselves.
I had yet to hear of the San Marcos 10, but it was fascinating to learn about. Reading about the San Marcos 10 makes me disappointed in Texas State. I have always felt that Texas State was supportive of their students in their beliefs, but unfortunately, that was not always the case. The San Marcos 10 inspire me because they represent how you should stand up for what you believe in.
After reading and listening to the San Marcos 10, I realize the impact of their story. I hadn't heard their story until today. With the understanding of free speech laws after diving into the rights of the people under the First Amendment this semester I see this through a broader understanding. Their protest should have been protected under their First Amendment rights, but it took courage like theirs to extend understanding of what that means in light of the university and of the United States.
In the NPR interview David Bayless said that much of America had a kind of love-it-or-leave-it attitude about the war efforts in both 1969 and 2001. Clearly there is a trend as history repeats itself. The war on Ukraine and Gaza seem to have similar qualities as the wars of past years perhaps continuing the trend.
This is such an interesting case and the fact that its so local to us and is never taught in middle school or highschool is quite surprising. i feel that if i were alive during that time I would have joined in the protests against the war. It’s so amazing to see how people have been protesting for generations and they will continue to indefinitely. What’s sad to me is that people have to protests things as horrible as not wanting to go to war with another country we have really no need being involved with. The San Marcos ten are a great example of the cases we are learning about in class. The other crazy aspect of both these stories is how often they tend to repeat themselves.
While never hearing about this happening on my own campus, it saddens me to read what happened when students peacefully protested. The incident highlighted tensions between university administrators and students over issues such as free speech, academic freedom, and the role of universities in addressing social and political issues. By expelling students who choose to speak their minds, it creates a precedent. And not a good one. It also shows students that their voices are going to be suppressed by the administration.
After listening to the broadcast and reading the University Star article, I am shocked to hear what happened to these students for only peacefully protesting. I personally cannot wrap my head around not allowing students to speak freely on campus about what they believe when it causes no harm. After learning more about what freedom of speech truly means in class, I think this incident was a very poor reflection of TXST and how they treated their students in the past. I would like to say that Texas State and the world for that matter have moved to a place where execersing your freedom of speech is very common and not a reason to be expelled or ridiculed. - Riley P. M/W Class
Hailey C- MW 11am Class
Reading this article and listening to the report, I was taken by surprise that this situation even happened, and even more surprised that I have never heard about it. I find it really interesting how First Amendment freedoms have become more expressive on the Texas State campus, especially since the protest of the San Marcos 10 was peaceful and causing no issues.
The report stood out to me the most considering the timing with it being right after 9/11. The idea of history repeating itself is a true problem that we see happening here just in a different way. The San Marcos 10 protestors show their interest and dedication to what drove them to protest, and that dedication carries on throughout the terrorist attacks on 9/11. This just shows that they weren't just protesting to protest, but they did it because they believe what they were doing was important and essential.
Trevor B. Honors Free Speech Free Press Class
I found the both the article and the interview to be very intriguing. The fact that such a protest and one that caused such commotion occurred here speaks to the environment in which our school operates. Another interesting idea I drew from the subject pertained to the ages and origin of the San Marcos 10. The fact that some of them still live and are active parts of this community interests me. I think the story of the San Marcos 10 speaks to the power of all individuals to make their mark and use their voice as an instrument for change.
Discovering the details of the San Marcos 10 and the ordeal they went through left me disturbed and astounded. It is sad that individuals can face such severe consequences for expressing their views. My heart goes out to the students who were standing up for their convictions, and it's frustrating to witness the inadequate efforts of schools and systems in protecting their rights. I really connect with this story because it emphasizes the constant need to make sure that everyone is treated fairly and that we create a space where people can express their thoughts freely without worrying about getting in trouble.
London B MW Class.
I was shocked that even though he came back to TXST/Southwest they wouldn't let them walk the stage. In the NPR excerpt when they talk about the pro-war movements going on and how similar it was to 1969 it shocked me because I thought most people were pro-war because of how vulnerable we felt. I didn't think that in 1969 people were feeling that vulnerable to anything happening over in the USA because the most recent USA attack would have been Pearl Harbor.
Kristen L, MW class
As many of the other students have stated, I also have never heard of the San Marcos 10. After reading the article and listening to the report I was shocked. I didn't understand why they were suspended due to a peaceful protest. Due to the suspension, it took Annie Burleson 20 years to get her bachelor's when her education shouldn't have been the discipline of a peaceful protest. While Bob Edwards eventually went back to TXST they never let him walk the stage. It is a poor representation of TXST and how easily our First Amendment rights can be violated.
Reese McKee 11am M/W
I had never heard of the San Marco 10 before, but the story shocked me. It amazing how such a peaceful protest was taken and turned into something so extreme to where they were suspended. If they would've been disrupting class, causing riots, etc, I would understand, but they did none of that. If I was in their position I would be furious. I'm glad they got to come back to campus, especially to campus where free speech and expression is not permitted.
Wesley Hajek 11AM M/W
I really enjoyed the article but I had no prior knowledge about the San Marcos 10. Any free speech that is hindered with is not free speech. Peacefully protests must not be stopped just because someone doesn't like something said
Sarah L. MW 11:00 Class
I had not heard of the story of the San Marcos 10 before, but I found it extremely interesting. I think this is a perfect example of the topics we have been discussing in class regarding the First Amendment rights. Especially the past week as we have gone over court cases regarding first amendment rights in schools, like the case of Hazelwood v. Kuhlmeier. In the University Star article the author mentions the case of Tinker v. Des Moines in which the decision gave students the right to exercise their free speech rights regarding their opinions on the Vietnam War. The story of the San Marcos 10 has inspired me to not only engage more with my personal beliefs, but to have the confidence in myself to stand up for them even as a student. I think the San Marcos 10 are an inspiring bunch and I hope to be more like them at my time here at Texas State.
I have never heard about the San Marcos 10 before this assignment. It was very interesting to see how life was on campus 50 years ago compared to now. It’s heartbreaking to see how they were treated when peacefully protesting. Another thing that stuck with me is how something like this can influence lives even 50 years later, which goes to show how important standing up for your beliefs are, no matter what they may be.
Alejandro M. (MW class)
I found it interesting that we had protests about the Vietnam war here in Texas State and it makes you think what other cases have happened were students rights were violated. I believe the students first amendments were violated because they were having a peaceful protest but the school didn't want their image to look bad so they had to do something about it. I think it was not fair and the students should have gotten their case overturned.
Kimberly Garza MW 11am Class
I was moved by the story of the San Marcos 10 protesting the Vietnam War. Their bravery in challenging authority and advocating for peace, despite the risk of suspension and expulsion, is truly admirable. It feels more personal to hear each person's story, especially when told by voices like Annie Burleson and David Bayless. Their courage reminds us of the importance of sticking up for what we believe in, especially in the face of difficulties.
Angela Rodriguez MW 11am Class
I find it moving that people can protest for something they wholeheartedly believe in. I think even though back then as a public university, the rules still applied when the dean made a statement about causing a disruption. When one of the students was interviewed, the interviewee asked "How did the jury rule against you?" the ruling interfered with the free flow of the educational process and it was stated that it was the general protest overall. Its crazy tot think that the students weren't allowed to across the stage and get their diploma. Instead, they mailed it to them.
I never heard of the San Marcos 10, until reading this article. A peaceful protest on a designated forum should have never resulted in such harsh punishments. As we learned throughout our Media Law class, students have First Amendment rights, although limited in some cases in which education is disrupted, however, nothing was disrupted in this case. I am surprised that this instance did not receive as much press and that I had not heard of this dispute until recently. As a proud Texas State University student, this made me disappointed to hear.
Bill B. T/TH 9:30 Honors class.
I had never heard of the San Marcos 10 before this discussion. That surprised me because on every tour I took of the university before I had applied or been accepted, the guides were always very proud of the "free speech" area. Taking such care to point out and emphasize the importance of that area on campus, one would assume that the school had a long history of embracing different viewpoints and celebrating free speech. It was shocking to hear that not just student protests, but also the reporting of The University Star was so heavily censored and punished.
While the current conflicts in both Gaza and Ukraine are not as controversial as U.S. involvement in Vietnam, there have still been nationwide occurrences of protests by students. How would the University respond if things escalated, and a large protest was planned for Texas State? While it is optimistic to assume a lesson had been learned from the injustice against the San Marcos 10, it is not always smart to believe that those in charge will act benevolently.
joseph cannatella (online class)
There is a lot to say about the courage and bravery that the San Marcos 10 showed in their protest. The students were expressing their rights and the dean and school were directly violating those rights by expelling the students. It is an unfair and unjust decision that directly violated the peoples first amendment right.
Rachel Epstein M/W class
I was on familiar with the San Marcos 10. They used peaceful protest and did not disturb class but we're still suspended. They were suspended under the idea that the reaction to their protest disturbs class. I believe that this is unjust first because no violence happened out of their protest. And second because they didn't control or encourage any kind of violent reaction to their protest. They just stated their minds.
Gabrielle T MW 11a.m.
Although reading about San Marcos 10 was very frustrating and brought out a sense of anger for these people who felt like they were doing the right thing. It fascinates me to think about the history of Texas State. Hearing there was a "Free Speech" hour outside of Old Main is also so interesting to think about what has happened on campus. The whole story angers me especially the lack of support from the media, the justice system, and our university. This story is very important because it shows how history repeats itself and how we are still talking about this even years later. These students are just like all of us and were standing up for something they thought was important which shows a lot of courage.
Regan Price MW 11:00am
I had never heard about the San Marcos 10 and I am very surprised because what they did is iconic. I think it is completely unfair that they were punished for a peaceful, non-violent protest. During tours at TXST, the guides always make a point to talk about free speech at the stallion statue. Knowing what I know now, it seems hypocritical.
Holden Clarkson (Online Class)
I find it crazy that the San Marcos 10 were barred from enrolling in Texas State for an entire year after their suspension for peacefully protesting with signs that simply stated their unhappiness with the war in Vietnam at the time. When I'm walking around campus, I see people preaching religion all the time. I find it a little ridiculous that someone at one point wasn't allowed to make a stand against unnecessary and brutal war, but people are allowed to tell while you're walking around campus what god you should believe in. I know that a lot has changed since 1969, but after reading the article that thought was what came to my mind, and I still find it absurd.
George Resendiz MW class
Ive never heard of the San Marcos 10 before this and as a firm believer in freedo of speech, this upset how Texas State was in the past. They were peaceful protesting because of a war they were afraid of however they were still suspended. It really makes you think about what they went through and how much they were violated in the past. These students were treated unfairly and their free speech rights were taken from them with no regrds.
Sergio S. (M/W class)
I had never head of the story of the San Marcos 10 before. It's interesting to see how different life and rights were back then. To think that protesting had the chance of you getting kicked out of school which meant (for males at least) that you would certainly be drafted into the very war you are protesting is unfathomable, and still they stayed understanding the consequences that may come is truly admirable.
This is the first time I have heard of the San Marcos 10, and I have never known something like this would be so significant. There are many protests here and on other schools across the nation, but I am unaware of anything that is significant as the 10. I think that it was wrong how they were shut down and treated unfairly.
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William P. Leslie (M/W Class)
This is very interesting! It is interesting to hear how protesting and other forms of this have been around for such time. While I would never hope something like this would happen in today's day and age. It makes you wonder what it would take in todays world to make a university have the urge to kick kids out of the school.
Abby Walker (M/W Class)
I have never heard of the San Marcos 10 until this assignment, which is crazy to me. This protest resulted in a ten students being suspended from school. I do think the ten students were treated unfairly for peacefully protesting on campus.
Brienna M 11am M/W class
This is the first time I have heard of this case. I believe the students were treated unfairly and I think they should be allowed this type of protest, even if it was on campus. They didn't incite violence and, from the article, it seems as though they were just sitting there causing no disruption. These students were upset about people dying and being involved in a war with no good cause. I kind of understand why the supreme court ruled the way they did, but at the same time, I think they were wrong in their ruling. Students should have the right to protest, we shouldn't punish students for acting peacefully on a 1st amendment right.
Andrea Narro MW class
Seeing how long protests have been going on is very fascinating. Before this, I never really heard of this story, the San Marcos 10 story. It’s mind blowing the way the university reacted to a peaceful protest. The way college journalists got shut down and silenced. This story shows how much people cared about their rights and how much they wanted to stand up for them. I think they were not treated well, they were peacefully protesting on campus
It truly baffled me to read the University Star article saying “Today, the Fighting Stallions statue represents a free speech landmark on campus”. I guess I assumed it had always been a free speech landmark, sadly it hadn’t always been that way. I think the San Marcos 10 pushed Southwest Texas State’s buttons because you look now, there are always protests or discussions going on at the Stallions. I think the San Marcos 10 protest was the first of many to mark the path of allowing free speech in public schools. It was also interesting in the NPR clip when one of the protesters said the ruling was ruled by a judge and not a jury, AND that the reasoning was because the protest COULD have caused disruption. I think it’s interesting because, from the article and NPR clip, the protest seemed extremely peaceful and not distracting at all. Had it caused disruption, it would’ve been caused by people outside of the protest.
Hope J. (MW Class)
As I read and reflected on The San Marcos 10 and the peaceful anti-war protest, I couldn't help but wonder how long it took for the student's First Amendment rights, devotion, and passion for these topics to be heard at Texas State University. To be punished for believing in something is something beyond me. This historic event has shaped and defined my perspective as a journalism student. Communities have the power to create change from within.
Juliet C Honors class-
When I was reading the article and listening to NPR, I was the most surprised to find that the students lost in the courts. To me, this would be a peaceful protest backed by the rights to speech and expression, but ended up being ruled in the school's favor because the crowd was seen as rowdy and stopping the flow of education. I also enjoyed seeing the juxtaposition of what people felt like was patriotic. The San Marcos 10 felt like what they were doing was the most patriotic thing that they could do -- exercising their rights given to them by the constitution. However, onlookers felt the exact opposite.
Ariana Barroso MW Class
This is my first time hearing about the San Marcos 10 students. I can't imagine the feeling that these students felt when receiving the news that they would be expelled from the university. To have your voice shutout like that is not something to be taken lightly. People on campus are Abel to protest often. Students are able to print articles in the university newspaper. I think that how they were treated was very unfortunate considering that they were only using the rights that the amendments allow them to have.
This was my first time every hearing or reading anything about this situation on the San Marcos 10 students incident. This reminded me a lot of the New York Times V United States and opened me eyes that something like this could happen anywhere and free speech is something that we still fight for today. I was taken by surprise when the students lost and the reasoning behind it as I found it very strange and so similar again to the New York Times case and it just says a lot about the government and how much is surprises you everyday.
It's hard to imagine something like the San Marcos 10 happening when in today's world there are many massive protests. They were clearly exercising their constitutional right to protest a war that was unjust and immoral. How can the school punish them for expressing their opinions peacefully? They didn’t harm anyone or disrupt the educational process.
It’s fascinating to learn about this protest because I had not heard of it before this, which is something I believe wasn’t done on accident. I think Texas State knows that students may feel strongly about this protest and the way it was handled. To compare this to how protests are treated today, I work at the student involvement office and students are allowed under any circumstance to protest as long as they let the university know beforehand. I was also told that this was the procedure because it’s imperative that someone of the staff is out there making sure that things stay peaceful but I feel that shows now there’s a greater tolerance for students who have the strong views that may oppose the greater population. It’s nice to know the Texas State has changed in that way, and that they even allowed a space, or a forum to speak about this event, and why it was handled in this manner but I think it’s also important to note the climate of the world during the Vietnam war, I think a lot of young men were scared, and being sent somewhere against their will is a scary reality to face, and to not even know what you’re fighting for which is what I’ve heard from a lot of veterans.
I have never heard of the "San Marcos 10", but I am glad that it was brought to my attention. I never knew Texas State did this in the past. They were literally expressing the first amendment, and got punished. Did not disturb any classes or anything. I understand freedom of speech to an extinct, but these protestors definitely kept it (as I would say) cute and classy.
Rhys L. - MW
I also hadn't heard of the San Marcos 10 before. I am shocked that they were punished, they weren't really causing any disruption. Just expressing their belief in something. It's a little scary to think about. But it was very interesting to learn about, but I'm glad that we now have a free speech area on campus. If it had caused disruption I would have understood.
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Chloe K. MW
Im suprised I have not heard of the San Marcos 10 before today. It was very brace of them to protest given the state of the world at the time. I was very shocked to find out how Texas State repsonded to the peaceful protest because I can not imagine that people would let that slide nowadays. Most days on campus there is some sort of group particpating in first ammendment activities.
Katharine Y. - Online
It is actually pretty crazy hearing about this and I'm a little confused how it isn't talked about. They were punished for something that wasn't that bad, when there have been way worse things today. I think a suspension for peacefully protesting is extreme.
Julian Cisneros (Online)
While reading and listening to this story it blows my mind how this isn't something more talked about, not necessarily the protest its self but the act of being punished by the university for practicing their freedom of speech. I feel that there was no wrong doing, especially since the protest wasn't anything that was displaying a negative connotation to the University itself. I enjoyed reading this and looking into the history of Texas State Univerity.
Felicity G. Honors Class T/TR
This article really pictured how protests can be so powerful and how big of a decision it is to stand up for something you believe in knowing that you will face ridicule and expulsion. I think what the San Marcos 10 did was very brave and hearing about the night leading up to the protest was very eye-opening. The right to protest I feel is taken for granted in current days. As I have learned from numerous court cases, like Texas v. Johnson, the right to oppose the government has not always been granted. In this case, the San Marcos 10 were seriously snubbed of their rights and of their right to a fair trial. The censorship of The Star at that time is also very surprising to hear since in comparison to today, The Star is independently-run and would be free to write about something critical of the administration. The San Marcos 10 may not have known each other before the demonstration, but they sure did share the feeling of having an undying duty to stand up for vulnerable young men drafted in Vietnam.
Monica Campos Salgado- MW 11am Class
I cant remember where but I have hear "The San Marcos 10" somewhere before, I think back in high school actually. But I never knew what is was. And sometimes during lecture some of these topics may seem so foreign and unrelated to us, but like the professor said, medial law is everywhere. And to learn about something like this, and the fact that it happened on the ground we walk on everyday is extremely inspirational. I could not help but think about all the student related cases that talk about free speech. The Tinker v. Des Moines case was all I could think about while reading this, and I think it just goes to show how students are more than capable to form their own beliefs and must have the right to express themselves in an appropriate manner, and thats what the San Marcos 10 did.
Kiley C (MW class): I had never heard of the "San Marcos 10" before reading the article and listening to the interview. I found it interesting as to how the university handled their peaceful protest. Furthermore, I like the parallel of how the Fighting Stallion statue on campus is now the center of the free speech area, but back then they got in trouble for expressing themselves there.
Keyona W. (online)
This is an interesting piece because in my opinion i think it reflects on our current political climate right now. I’ve never heard of the san marcos 10 before this but i think it is so wrong that their peaceful protest resulted in a suspension over simply exercising their rights as citizens. there’s a lot of unrest these days about political wrongdoings such as the bombing of palestine and i can’t imagine something like the suspension of the san marcos 10 would happen again without major backlash from the student body, especially because i feel like the overall community of san marcos is heavily for free speech and protest so it’s surprising to think that the university would ever make that move.
The story of the San Marcos 10 sheds light on Texas State University's historical response to student activism and the exercise of First Amendment rights. The university's reaction, which led to the suspension and expulsion of these students, reflects broader societal tensions surrounding freedom of speech and dissent. Drawing parallels to New York Times v. United States, where journalists' voices were stifled, underscores the importance of press freedom in shaping public discourse. The timing of the incident, predating the outcome of the landmark case, raises intriguing questions about the evolution of press freedoms and institutional responses to dissent. Reflecting on this history prompts critical examination of the intersection between law, activism, and institutional power dynamics, highlighting the enduring relevance of past events in shaping contemporary conversations around civil liberties and freedom of expression.
M-W 11
The actions of the university and the College Star appall and disappoint me. I had never heard about the San Marcos 10 until now, and I believe that might be intentional due to the university wanting to cover their unsavory decisions. Those students had a right to stay which was protected by Tinker v Des Moines, a decision that was released months prior on a similar issue. Staying after three minutes and expecting retaliation from your school is terrifying, and the 10 were brave and right to stand up for themselves and for protesting the war. The Star censoring their managing editor at the time goes against what newspapers and press stand for. I wish this protest was more spoken about and treasured in our community.
Jhorden Tennyson MW 11 a.m.
I'm struck by the remarkable evolution of university campuses in embracing protests and the freedom of speech. Consider Texas State University, a prime example of this transformation, as evidenced by the following narrative. The tale of the San Marcos 10 sheds light on a time when mere sign-holding on campus led to silencing and punishment, despite the protest's peaceful nature. It's intriguing to note how, in the past, the university confined free speech to a designated area at Old Main, which ironically saw little foot traffic—a subtle tactic, perhaps, to curtail expression without overt censorship.
Fast forward 50 years, and some of those once-suspended students find themselves invited back to their alma mater to mark the very event that saw their academic careers interrupted. Their case being dismissed was a bitter pill to swallow, showcasing the frustrations inherent in such stories. Nevertheless, our university has made significant strides, now fostering an environment where discourse—albeit with certain boundaries—can flourish without fear of repercussion. Today, the symbolic "free speech" arena resides at Fighting Stallions, a bustling thoroughfare frequented by hundreds of students daily.
On a separate but equally significant note, it's appalling to reflect on the historical treatment of women at the university. Thankfully, we've made substantial progress since then, leaving such archaic attitudes firmly in the past.
Harriet Bernard MW 11 am
When I was reading the article I was shocked to learn they only were given 3 minutes to leave their peaceful protest without consequence. The ten that stayed ended up being suspended and their prior credits deleted which seems overly cruel and an invasion of free speech rights.I am happy that all 7 surviving protestors were given a spotlight to share their experience. They were all happy they made their sacrifice for what they believe in and it's important to give them a space to share and a photo so people can remember what they did at young age.
Madison Green Honors section
I think it is very interesting that in the appellate court Tinker v. Des Moines was cited, yet the court still ruled in favor of Texas State. I is just surprising because the main difference is that these were legal adults by this time, so the argument could not be made that children can not fully express under the 1st amendment could be made.
Along with this, I wonder if this is why we now call the Stallions the "Free Speech" area. I don't think it said it in the article or podcast that this protest was the reason, so I am left to wonder. However, if this was the designated free speech area before, then I am surprised that the students would be told that they couldn't expresss their ideas.
Dakota S. (Online Class). I never heard of the story of San Marcos 10. I have faced a lot of injustice in my own past, and I feel for what those kids went through. I would have lost a lot of faith in the world if I was them, I can’t even imagine how they must have felt. Even though this was back in the 60’s, I am shocked the school decided on the course of action that they did. I would like to know the thought process behind the people who decided to punish the protesters. Why would a school have such strong opinions about anti-war protests? I would really like to know their angle in this. I suppose that whoever was in charge had strong opinions on the necessity of the Vietnam War. At least their sacrifice wasn’t for nothing, as it seems to have made a pretty big impact given that we are still discussing it over 60 years later.
Silver C. (MW 11 am class)
The San Marcos 10 was brave to stand up and protest for what they believe in. It is crazy to me that they were suspended and expelled for expressing their right to freedom of speech. I’m glad they wrote an article to shed light on the situation. I am also glad that Texas state has become a school to be much more expressive since that incident.
Emma Turner MW 11 a.m.
I had never heard of the San Marcos 10 before this assignment. I think it's extremely unfair that not only were they suspended but they also had their credits canceled form the past year. Including the fact that one of the San Marcos 10 was also a Vietnam veteran. I'm very pleased that this article was written to bring light to what happened and how it affected the students involved and others around them during and since this event.
Daniela Magana MW 11 a.m.
After reading the article about the San Marcos 10, I believe this was a heroic statement. These 10 individuals were brave and were strong to stand up for what they thought was right, even with consequences. I think this story should be discussed more among Texas State students, because it is inspiring and historic.
Alyson A (MW 11AM Class)
The story of the San Marcos 10 was something new to me. I had never heard about the peaceful protest and the repercussions for those students. Definitely this protest sheds light on the First Admendment with free speech and protest since the students were stating their opinion and standing up for what they believed in. I found it crazy that their credits were taken away and then suspended and wonder about what would happen if the same thing were to happen today.
Anabelle G MW 11 a.m. class
I am surprised I had never heard of the San Marcos 10 before coming to Texas State. I found the administration's actions to be very concerning; not only were students barred from peacefully protesting, but those who remained were punished by school administration. Even a student journalist was punished for covering the events. We've talked about the San Marcos 10 in this class and some of my other classes, but I was unaware until now that Bill Cunningham, former managing editor of The College Star, was removed from his position because of what he published. After learning more about free speech rights on college campuses I thought the Tinker V. Des Moines ruling would have applied to this case. Additionally, it was interesting to learn about how administrative attitudes towards the San Marcos 10 have changed over time.
I have always wanted to be arrested or have legal consequences for protesting. I feel like that would mean that the government heard me. I think that they did the right thing by standing there and allowing the school to suspend them. The war in Vietnam served no purpose. We were fighting to keep them from electing someone and the second that we pulled out they democratically elected the guy. People died for no reason. I love seeing or hearing about people exercising their free speech rights.
Joe Curtin (Online Class)
I was very surprised to hear about the San Marcos 10. To imagine the level of censorship that was forced upon the Star is crazy. To study journalism at a university that is preventing you from doing that job shows just how unethical the school went about this issue. I think we can still feel the effects of this censorship due to the fact that this story isn't more commonly talked about.
Michael Holcomb (MC4301.280 Online Class).
I never heard the story of the San Marcos in my entire time here at Texas State. I think what they did was a true demonstration of bravery, especially as it was mentioned in the interview, any male student that would have been kicked out of school would more than likely be on there was to be drafted into the Vietnam War themselves. The consequences of taking a stand during that time were very real and very harsh. I think it is great that they have a day made for them that commemorates them and celebrates the acts they committed in front of the stallion sculpture. It is intriguing to see how they were viewed as traitors and treasonous when their protest initially took place but are now being regarded as symbols of patriotism and invited back to the school they were kicked out of decades ago. It was also very eye-opening to learn that Texas State had designated free speech zones with time limits, I do not think that would go over very well today.
Emma M. MW class
Wow. I had actually never heard of the San Marcos 10 before, this was extremely interesting to learn about. I think it’s interesting that every single case related to this incident was thrown out, with this happening right after the decision of the Tinker v. Des Moines case. Especially when both cases involved students peacefully protesting the Vietnam war. I’m wondering if the difference here is the level of education, this being on a college campus while Tinker takes place in lower level education. Every one of the “San Marcos 10” still felt confident in their decision to protest and didn't voice any regrets. It’s fascinating that none of these students knew eachother before the protest, they just each individually felt strongly about protesting the war for their own reasons and that they had the right to do so peacefully. I believe that these students did have the right to protest peacefully and were disciplined unfairly.
Jacob Autrey. (Online Class)
Hearing about the San Marcos 10 for the first time reading this article gives me a new view on our school history. I feel a small sense of pride to be going to school where these 10 attended, but it is overwhelmed by the sense that what Texas State got away with was wrong. For something as straight forward as freedom of speech it comes off as ignorant on the schools part.
The citing of Tinker v. Des Moines made me think maybe there was hope for them but no decison was changed even in the Supreme Court. There should have been a better way to protect these students' civil liberties especially in a public forum.
Arielle C. (Online Class)
I had never heard of the story of the San Marcos 10 before this blog assignment, but have learned a new perspective on our school history at Texas State. I find it very interesting to see how protests have been happening for a long time. I can only imagine the feeling of injustice and frustration that the San Marcos 10 had felt, wanting to stand for something they believed in. I think that their actions are commendable and brave. I feel very appreciative that I have had such a good experience at Texas State where I was able to express myself openly and have more freedoms then these students did at the time.
Bella D. MC 4301 Online. I found the San Marcos 10 interesting as it's cool to see something take place in the past where you are now. I believe there is a lot of power in protest and the students were risking their academic standings in order to voice their beliefs. It's sad to hear how poorly the situation was handled, the students were definitely commendable.
Nicholas F. MC4301 Online - My initial reaction to reading this article by The University Star was shock. How had I never heard of this story before as a Texas State student myself? I feel pride in their actions however, I also feel a bit of shame in my school. How could we have treated these 10 students so awfully...
Jordan Sedillo MC4301 online after reading the article by the university star. I was kind of shocked that I’ve never have heard of this as being a Texas state student myself. I could only imagine that the San Marcos 10 were very frustrated as they were protesting for something they believed in. I do think they are very brave and courageous for their actions. And I’m glad that Texas state students were able to stand up in what they believe. But also kind of shocked of how TXST has treated them.
Jaelyn D (Online Class)
I have never heard about this event until this class! I think it is so amazing that there has always been so much advocacy and protesting at Texas State (Southwest Texas) from the 60's and still today. The Fighting Stallions have such a historic symbolism attach to them that I have been proud to witness advocacies myself there. I think it was completely unfair to suspend the San Marcos 10 and they should have won their case, especially with the citing of Tinker V. Des Moines
After listening to the NPR interview, I think it was cool how the San Marcos 10 still recognize their efforts and how with continuing war all around us, we must protest and fight for what we think is right. Even with such high tension after the September 11 attack, they had the courage to use their voice for good.
Katie E. Online class
This was the first time I had ever heard of the "San Marcos 10". My mother attended Texas State when it was still called South West Texas and never mentioned a word of it. Vietnam was a senseless conflict and those student protesters had every right to be there and peacefully display and communicate their objections. I'm surprised how the Dean could threaten the students with disciplinary actions when it is a public institution and embraces freedom of speech. I think it's important to mention that protestor Bayless especially had every right to be there since he was a veteran of the Vietnam war. His opinion was valid and he should not have received punishment for his actions. I think this story should be widely broadcasted to all students attending the university to commemorate these brave students' actions.
Nicole Waters Online Class
After reading the article and listening to the NPR report, it's fascinating to see the enduring impact of the San Marcos 10 protest and how it resonates across different periods in history. The courage and conviction displayed by these students in standing up against the Vietnam War despite facing suspension and expulsion from their university is inspiring. Additionally, the timing of the NPR report, less than two months after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, adds another layer of complexity and relevance to the discussion of protests and activism. It underscores the ongoing significance of individuals speaking out against perceived injustices, even in the face of challenging and tumultuous times.
Maria Aldana Online Class
I read this article and all of this was new information to me. I do know Texas State has always advocated for inclusivity and diversity so this does not come to a surprise for me. I love to hear that students are being courageous for what they stand for and believe is righteous. I feel that this should absolutely be allowed especially because we all have a right to voice ourselves and protest for our own rights as human beings. I think this should have been respected and valued because students voices should also be heard!
Simon Kinski - Honors Class
Before reading the article and listening to the report, I hadn't heard of the San Marcos 10 before. After reading however, I think that they are very brave and inspirational. I also believe that their consequences absolutely were unjust, especially so considering how the courts had sidestepped the recent decision made by the Supreme Court in Tinker v. Des Moines, even though it was cited. I thought the NPR report was rather interesting as well, drawing comparisons between the fervor of the American public between the Vietnam War and in 2001. Seeing this cycle, I wonder how much we'll learn from our past. I appreciate learning about the San Marcos 10, and I really wish that more people get to hear their story.
AnaBelle E. MW 11 a.m.
I was surprised by the Dean of Students deciding to give the students a three minute warning before suspending them. Just from how I have been brought up socially in this place in time, it is extremely inappropriate in my mind to threaten suspension for something like this, given that it’s not causing a larger issue or an immediate safety issue like trampling people or blocking walkways that cause immediate injury somehow.
The irony of the men potentially being drafted if they got kicked out of school is wild. That raises the stakes by knowing that the very thing they are protesting, is not way more their personal issue if they protest it. The hearing they had with the Board of Regents concluded that the suspension was upheld, so Burleson said they kept fighting it. They both went back to school and graduated years later. I would want to be friends with these two if I went to school here in 1969. I know a lot of people in that generation who hated anyone who seemed to be anti-war, because they said it was “anti-american.” (Jane Fonda being so widely hated being an example.) So it was also personally pleasant to hear from two of the 10 people who got suspended, knowing they fall in that generation.
Taylor Alexis W. Online
After reading and listening to info about the san marcos 10 I was absolutely shocked, for one I had heard. nothing about the san marcos 10 before and I wonder why all of this was so hidden considering it was such a big deal. Those 10 were threated to be drafted for protesting if insane. this goes against our constitutional rights and am disappointed this happened so recently. The part that shocked me the most was the "warning" they got, when they were given that warning they were put under attack by the university and I feel that the university should have stood with its students.
I am Jose Guillermo Torres and I am in the M/W 11:00 AM class.
The case of the San Marcos 10 is an upsetting aspect of our history at Texas State, and should never be repeated. With a sense of war and the outstanding amount of death caused, we should have the liberty to speak about what we think and how we wish to resolve the issues. The risk of suspension by liberty expressing your opinion on war should not be acceptable, and should have been defended by the First Amendment. I feel proud of the students who did stand up for their beliefs and did not care to get suspended for their protest.
The work they did is admirable. The San Marcos 10 will pass down history and remind us to stand up for our believes. I am afraid that our generation has become very accepting of harmful aspects in government by their ignorance or refusal to become involved. I know we all have busy lives, but we need to remember to stand up for what we believe in and to not accept something that will harm us. More protests are needed now to combat the issues with school costs, unfair treatment of workers, or the excessive amount of inflation we have gone through due to poor government. Or seeing how much corruption is happening in Texas with the infrastructure programs being excessively expensive for little to moderate fixes. Or to express how neccessary public transit has become to aid the impact on pollution, yet all of these topics are money makers to the rich minority, and would rather keep us silent or ignorant. It is time we stand up more for ourselves and not be afraid to.
I am Carlos V. and I am in the online class.
I never before now have heard of the San Marcos 10-story but I love it as it shows us just how much we've grown not only as a nation but as a school. It's nice to know that they are being honored now and that these once-debated topics are now clearly resolved. Most people today can agree that what happened then was wrong and this is growth.
They are legends of San Marcos who will forever go down in history as some of the most special and significant people of this city. Its a lesson not only to Texas State Univeristy but to other Universities as well that to not allow free speech will cause a stain in your school and one day will be a source of regret.
Before today I have never heard of the San Marcos 10 story. I find these individuals to be very strong and courageous for fighting for what they believe in. They stood strong even after being told they would face severe consequences. I was a bit shocked when I read that the university canceled their credits from the previous year, and they would be suspended. Sadly, I'm not sure if that's something I would be willing to give up considering how long it has taken me to get through school and all of the sacrifices I have made to be here. I would probably just leave the protest, so they are much more courageous than I am! It does make me happy to hear that they were recognized for their efforts 50 years later. These stories with rich history are always very interesting to read about and share with family and friends!
William Eugene-Onyejiaka | HONORS
I've heard of the San Marcos 10, yet did not know anything about the students themselves. I admire how the 10 students stood up for their convictions. I believe that Gen Z is not the most convinced of their beliefs and instead seek to please whatever ideas are perceived as being held by the majority of peers. I especially love how Rosenwasser wanted to talk to the counter protesters instead of hating them. A challenge I believe exists in our current political climate is that of confirmation bias where we desire to surround ourselves with people who affirm our own beliefs and don't seek to understand "the other side".
The actions of the San Marcos 10, who took part in a protest against the Vietnam War at Texas State University in 1969, exemplify bravery and a commitment to their beliefs in the face of significant challenges. Engaging in activism during a period of intense societal divisions and resistance to the Vietnam War required courage, especially given the potential consequences they faced. Their willingness to take a stand for their convictions reflects the spirit of civic engagement and the role that student activism played in shaping public discourse. The impact of the San Marcos 10 extends beyond their immediate circumstances, highlighting the enduring influence of student-led movements. These individuals paved the way for discussions on campus free speech, the right to protest, and the broader societal questioning of government policies. By revisiting the campus on the 50th anniversary of the protest, they not only commemorated their own activism but also contributed to ongoing conversations about the role of students in advocating for social and political change.
Like many others said, I have not yet heard of the San Marcos 10. However, the fact that they were peacefully protesting and got suspended is shocking and quite unfair to the students. After all, they pay money to be in this institution, and considering that they are students it also means that they are dedicated. It was nice to hear that the two of them came back and graduated.
It shows the integrity and grit of each individual of the San Marcos 10. I hope they all know the history they made by standing up for what they believe in, especially in a time when you were judged for doing so. It goes to show that sometimes when it feels like we've come so far, that is not always the case, but we should still be grateful for what we achieved and keep pushing.
Parker G. MW 11AM class.
I had never heard of this and I kind of wish I did. I can have my reservations of certain types of protest like in cases where people try to block highways, but this case is just sad. As long as they aren't causing any harm and were doing this peacefully this should have been fine to continue. However, to then take their credit away and suspension is definitely a massive overreaction. This very much sucks for a number of reasons but the part that gets my blood boiling is how they would do this rather then maybe take the time to think how they could have resolved the situation and learn and improve from it rather than shutting it down like that.
Prior to this blog, I had no idea that the San Marcos 10 existed. After listening to their story and reading the University Star article, I found it to be extremely crazy that they would be suspended and expelled. I'm also outraged that Texas State decided to take away all previous credits that they worked for. Making someone start from stratch simply because they are practicing their rights is insane. These past few chapters have taught me that the First Amendment protects the right to gather together, the right to protest something, and the right of voicing your opinions. Technically, they never did anything dangerous or crude enough for the University to have the right to expell them and, honestly, they should have considered forming a lawsuit.
Learning about the San Marcos 10 protesters doesn't shock me, and it's disheartening that things haven't improved. Even regular students can't peacefully protest for what they believe is right without facing consequences. It's frustrating that even now, speaking out still leads to punishment. Listening to an NPR report from 2001 shows how history keeps repeating itself, as highlighted in this article and report. It's sad to think that this protest happened a long time ago, yet we're still discussing it, suggesting that they were making a difference.
It is odd reading about how a peaceful protest ended with these ten students actually being suspended and expelled. I would think such disciplinary actions would be warranted if the students had caused a major disruption or became violent, however, that did not seem to happen. Additionally, I found it interesting how no courts were willing to hear the case. The San Marcos Ten seems like a valid case concerning the right to protest and free speech, but when you consider the historical context the outcome of this protest does make sense. It makes sense that during a time of war, patriotism in America was at an all time high. This could be compared to the rise of patriotism and hostility during the Red Scare or following 9/11.
Christopher M. (MW Class)
Reading about the San Marcos 10 is fascinating. So many stories like these get unnoticed or fly under the radar. I admire them for standing up against a University despite the challenges they faced. The fact that TXST suspended them and erased all their credits from that year is horrible and disgusting. I'm happy that they were honored and recognized for their bravery. Speaking up is never easy, and their courage is admirable.
Hearing the interview they did shortly after 9/11, highlights the seemingly never-ending cycle of war, propaganda and destruction that we continue to do.
Kaitlin D. - Online Class
It's insane how much things have changed since 1969 yet also eerie that things are so similar in relation to war. While reading the University Star feature story I was shocked to read the section where they discussed women's rights at the time and that they had to live on campus until they either turned 21 or got married. Seeing how far we've come in regard to women's rights is insane. I don't agree with the decisions made by the university toward the San Marcos 10, it was unfair and unjust.
Faith Tund - Online Class
Reflecting on the University Star feature story and NPR report, it's both moving and enlightening to see the San Marcos 10 receiving acknowledgment after 50 years. Their courage in 1969, amidst a climate of fear and conformity, serves as a potent reminder of the critical role of student activism in challenging injustice and shaping societal values. The parallels drawn between past and present political protests highlight a continuous thread of civic engagement and resistance against undue authority, underscoring the importance of safeguarding free speech and the right to dissent. It's a testament to the enduring power of collective action and the necessity of remembering and learning from such pivotal moments in history.
Laura R. 11:00 a.m. M/W class
I didn't know the story of San Marcos 10, and it's incredible to think that a case similar to those we've seen in class happened at the university with these students. The peaceful protest these students exercised was well within their rights under the First Amendment, but as we saw in class, during those years, the right to free speech was still being further developed through trials and over time. It's also interesting to hear that in the 2001 interview, one of the interviewees mentioned that a similar injustice to their case might occur since the pro-war attitude being promoted made the opposition look unfavorable. With the collapse of the Twin Towers and all the discourse surrounding the fight against terrorism, the United States once again persuaded a nation to go to war in the Middle East, causing a lot of turmoil and also dividing sides.
Uchenna O. Online class
My reaction to this story is shock. I am shocked that these students had no fear, some of them even served in the army or had family in the army, sat down in protest against the dean's wishes, and protested peacefully. I am shocked that they got suspended from school, and their credits revoked, and yet they didn't care, they stood proudly in their opinion, fighting for what they thought was right. It is inspiring to see such a thing.
Some students hated what the war did to men, one girl went on a date with a guy who served in the war and he didn't talk. Seeing that experience firsthand had to be mind-blowing, and proves what the girl did was right, (protesting peacefully). One guy dropped out of school and was forced to go serve in the very war he had protested. and for 9-11 to happen a couple months after shows the never-ending cycle of war.
Something that stood out to me here was how Tinker V Des Moines just occurred granting freedom to students at school but the Supreme Court and other fellow courts didn't bother to hear nor take the side of the students, who clearly did not violate any laws causing them to be reprimanded so harshly from their dean. It's a shame that things like this are still happening, especially with the whole FREE PALESTINE and Ivy League disciplining students for peaceful protest.
Dylan Marine MW Class
I also have never heard of the San Marcos 10, but really this just makes me angry. Especially because the university was trying to stop the newspapers from writing about it just made them look bad. I mean I really do not have much to stay about this. The university was wrong and so were the courts.
Keega Tharp MW class
I had yet to learn of Texas State's past. Since I had never heard of the San Marcos 10, learning about their story showed me a lot I didn't know. It is depressing to learn that they were threatened with legal action for merely voicing their ideas, which violated their right to free expression.
Joseph Meyer MW Class
This is my first time hearing about the San Marcos 10, and I was shocked learning about how the 10 got their name, the consequences of their actions, and the purpose of their protest. I also found it interesting how the school reacted, and reflecting upon that, considering whether the school would have the same reaction in a similar situation today.
The interview was conducted 30 years after the protest, and learning that the interview happened shortly after 9/11, interested me on why the interview happened when it did. I wasn't alive for 9/11, but I know there was a huge rise in patriotism and a call for war.
I'm also shocked they didn't let the guy graduate and mailed him his diploma.
Alisha Alderson
This was my first time hearing about the San Marcos 10. They were all very brave. I enjoyed reading about some of their experiences and their mindset before and after the protest. They knew there would be repercussions but stood up for their beliefs. I'm happy that today we recognize them.
Bradley Guilbeau MW class
Learning about the San Marcos 10 and their protest against the Vietnam War in 1969 is eye-opening. It's fascinating to learn about the history of political activism on our campus, especially considering the recent political protests both locally and globally. These students facing suspension and expulsion for exercising their right to protest is a reminder of the importance of freedom of speech and the ongoing struggle for social justice. Listening to the NPR report, conducted shortly after 9/11, adds another layer of complexity to the story, highlighting how historical events and political climates can shape the way we view activism and dissent.
Marrah Fuentes - Honors
The court opinions that we read while exploring education cases are applied directly in the case of the San Marcos 10. I think the logic used in the arguments against the students in the cases we read were very similar to those that the students described in their interviews. I thought it was interesting that the students were suspended on grounds like the idea that a disturbance "might" be caused from their protests, and the university was able to win the case because they punished the results of the protest, not the protests itself.
I think the context of the war and 9/11 are important to this event, but it's really interesting to hear about how the situation was in the students eyes.
Marine Griffaut, class MW
It was the first time for me hearing about of the San Marcos 10 until I read the article.
For me as an international student, it was interesting to hear all about the students opinions. I felt that in general Americans are very patriotic, which them very unique. I feel those people want to stand for what they believe. I really admire all of their fight, it is shame I have not heard more because I really appreciate to read about that. I agree with some of the student in this lecture, this story needs more recognition.
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